VNA Awards

[wshandcock]

Thanks Jamie
I will get to work on it
this week

[JAMIE189227]

OK Handcock, no problem :). I look forward to seeing it once it is ready :)

[JAMIE189227]

Gone a bit quiet here on this thread. Keep the ideas coming guys, plenty more time for your suggestions :). Let other members and camgirls know so they can give their ideas over as well

[stickyvicky]

When do we want to do this thing anyway? What's the timeframe? Would be cool to run it concurrently with some other awards like AVN to really spoof it but that's too far off....

[wshandcock]

Vicky I can have a working model by Chicago if you want to run it while you are there

[JAMIE189227]

Well me and Puma haven't really put a timeframe on this as of yet but I can talk to her about it Vicky. I agree that it would be cool to run it alongside one of the proper awards shows to rub their noses in it. Keep me up to date Vicky of when all the big awards events are and me and Puma can then pin point which one we will run it alongside. :). Hopefully within the next few weeks we can have a lot more stuff put together and be ready for when we eventually launch it. I just want to make sure we do it right and properly that's all :)

[Hornylady9]

Award for Members: The funniest thing you see when a member changes the view of the camera during a camshow! I think the VNA Girls should vote on it!

[WalterB]

I think that's a great odea, Hornylady. Got more?

[JAMIE189227]

Interesting idea Hornylady, it has been noted, keep them coming :)

[stickyvicky]

Welcome to the Forum HornyLady! So glad you are here!

[JAMIE189227]

I was hoping that I would have received some more info or suggestions from people with regards to the VNA awards. I am jointly running this thing so if anyone does have any contributions to make, go ahead, don't be scared to let me know. I just don't want this idea to fizzle out of people's thinking here. I really want this to happen and so does my partner Puma. So let's continue to make this happen.

[david tillinger]

With my usual bluntness, here's a couple issues I see:

1. The mechanism of voting is one thing, but how will it be controlled? Is it just one vote per member or a vote free for all (ala Freeones) where u can vote every day. Lets be honest here, if its daily voting, this will turn into 5-10 people voting for the same few girls every day. It will basically be the usual active suspects determining who wins this.

Alternatively, if the VNAlive girls are involved, we look at a possible deluge from outside cam girls who mobilize their own unshared members to vote solely for them. There has to be a control mechanism for this as well. Maybe split the voting w one vote for VNA girls & pone vote for VNA live.

I lean towards an Oscars type vote. Each registered VNA member or VNALive member (not individual girl's site members who get the cams) gets 1 vote in a series of categories. That way it doesn't come down to who has the most avid small group of fans who vote every day, but rather who the majority of the total membership likes.

2. I think the idea of having member awards, other than completely joke awards (like the one about Walt above), is asking for trouble. Having a voting for "favorite member" among the girls, for example, would be a disaster as almost every person who doesn't win will be upset by it. Its just asking for trouble & in-fighting. Not to mention it puts the girls in an awkward position of having to choose between members/paying customers. I know that some will not choose their favorite per se, but may choose someone else bc that person is more likely to be offended than their actual choice. Even if the vote is private, only one person can win & everyone who expects to win but loses will be upset.

Lets be honest, this will be all about the 5-10 people who are active all the time. The point of them proposing member awards is basically looking for acknowledgement of their participation. Not to mention, how many people outside of that small group actually know any members other than themselves? Attempting a serious "best member" or whatever poll is a disaster waiting to happen.

My thought would be something along the lines of what is going on above. Polling the girls to give their own novelty awards from their own observation & then u can run a poll. Something where only the category is listed & then the members vote on which 10 or so get published. That would be fun, allow for some recognition to avid posters/cam watchers(who the girls see more & are more likely to have funny comments about) & still protect feelings.

[JAMIE189227]

Thank you for your input and for raising these issues. I appreciate you bringing this up as me and Puma want the VNA awards to be the best they can be so all input is being taken on board.

With regards to the first point you raise about the voting and style of it, this is something that we have been thinking about and of course we want as many people to be able to be involved and voting but I do agree that we don't want people coming in from the outside and affecting the vote. We all want a fair voting system and I can say that we are currently working on deciding which type of voting style to use. Obviously me & puma will have to talk about this at some stage and we will let you guys know how it will work once everything is decided. We (with kind help from Handcock) are currently working on a trial vote with a replica of how the voting system will be and look like. With you raising this issue we may have to try it with both styles of voting (both daily and just one vote per person) to see the results of which one brings the best and fairest results. This way, once we know, we can have it all set up for when the real awards and voting takes place.

Now on to the second issue you have raised. Of course we don't want this to cause in fighting or problems between members & the girls etc. However, me and Puma have been asking since day 1 from when we came up with the idea of people to think of different categories and nominees etc they would like. This way it involves everyone and ever since I have been here, the proper members of the sites seem to be very good to each other and I believe would put each other up for different awards as some have. In fairness, this thread and idea has been around for a little while now and I have told members at many camshows about this, so members have know about and if they haven't been bothered to contribute their ideas, as far as I am concerned they don't really have anything to complain about. With that said there is still a good while yet for everyone to contribute before we start putting it all together :). By the way I would never agree to any of the girls making it known or forcing them to choose their favourite member because that isn't fair on anyone. Hopefully we will have quite a few categories where lots of members are nominated so that the distribution of the member winners is also fair. I am hoping that, if all goes well with the VNA awards and it is a success, possibly running one annually or Biennial (once every 2 years). This can then keep interest going and giving members more chances of winning. The way I see it not many awards (if any) award the members or people who support the ladies in the industry so I think it's good to give something back to them also (I'm sure the ladies would agree with me).

With all that said the issues raised have been taken on board and we will be working on them to make sure that we have no problems :)

[david tillinger]

I can see your points, but the issues Ive raised still exist. The fact that you repeatedly mention how this has been discussed in camshows kind of underscores my point. Its been discussed in the same cam shows by the same few people who go to the same cam shows. Most members dont go to the cam shows & if they do, would ignore this stuff & concentrate on the model. You're talking about a very small universe of members essentially forming a contest in which they will control the results.

The single vote model is the only fair way to do it. Otherwise, it becomes a member endurance test. I'll be honest, if its a daily vote, i'd be as guilty as anyone for "stuffing the ballot box" for my favorites. Ive done it for Charlee & Carmen in the past & would do it again. But that doesnt result in an accurate poll. With every vote being equal, it makes for a fairer result & eliminates the elitist element.

As to the member awards, again, its only going to be the same few members you've discussed this with, ie... the same members who go to cam shows, come on this board & know one another. Yes, you'll all put each other up for awards, but if no one outside the small group has input and/or any chance of winning, it makes for animosity. If all the awards go to the same 10 members, especially if many are joke awards personally crafted for them, then it will alienate the less active members & make them less likely to stay onboard.

Also, what is the actual mechanism for these member awards? You guys give each other awards (as you put it "put each other up for awards)? Will it be the girls voting on a pre-determined set of awards? Or someone looking at a pre-determined set of awards, picking candidates & then having a vote? All of these, especially the last one, make for some upset people.

To be clear, I have no personal investment in this. Im reasonably secure in my relationships w the girls. I don't care about being named for anything and Im pretty sure I wouldnt be voted for anything. But there are folks who will invest more in this & take it more seriously than I do.

Moreover, as I noted, the practical reality is that outside the small group, no one knows each other. Id guess maybe 10 people know me at all and that's the same small group we're talking about. Most members don't know anyone else, so if they have to wade thru a bunch of meaningless member awards all involving people they don't know, they'll simply skip the whole process.

[WalterB]

I think that's the point, David. The people who come to the cam shows, the people who post on the forum, those are the active members. Those that never contribute and are never here don't really know the membership. Vicky has tried very hard to get people to join and to participate. If they choose not to, there's not much else she can do.

[JAMIE189227]

Walt, you have hit the nail right on the head there with what you have said. If other members don't want to contribute to these awards then that's their own decision, I can't force anyone to do anything. I don't really know David what you want me to do in that regard, you say I would be alienating other members by doing this but as far as I see it they are alienating themselves and should be more proactive to get involved. I'm not going to dictate on how other members should use their memberships but a lot of people talk here about making this a community and these awards are trying to go a way to help bringing members and girls a like together. As far as I see it there is only a small group of active people here and proper members of VNALive girls sites that get involved, the rest to me are just hangers on from all the sites, and ladies success as far as I am concerned.

Can I just point out that these awards aren't just going to members only, most of them will be about the ladies themselves (which will be voted on by the members and ladies). We have put awards for members in as well to not only give something back but make them feel more involved. I can accept that there will be some snags or nagging problems along the way but I genuinely believe this idea can come to fruition. People need to start appreciating that I can only spend a limited amount of time on this each day. I can only do so much on this. Don't get me wrong, I love being joint project manager and I still will continue to so but I would appreciate a little more co-operation, help and respect for doing this.

That's fine David that you don't want to take this seriously and you feel that you have a secure relationship with the ladies, that's your own business and agenda. What I do take issue with however is you making valid points to try and help and then say that you have no interest or personal investment in this project. Well if that is the case, why did you come on here and post? Also you probably should have found out more about the awards before stating some wrong facts.

[JAMIE189227]

If anything I have just said gets me into trouble then so be it, I will accept criticism but I won't be talked down to. I am a respected member of the VNA by both ladies and members a like. All of us members are supposed to be equal here and if I feel threatened I won't be scared to fight back. I will speak to Vicky if things start to get too out of hang and I will make my case to her about me defending myself here if necessary.

[JAMIE189227]

Now if anybody else has any other contributions to make towards the VNA awards then I am all ears :)

[wshandcock]

Jamie I will send a write up soon about how its accessed and how people vote that may relieve some of Dave's concerns

[WalterB]

I say, you speak your piece, Jamie. As someone that has been in hot water more than a few times here for "Speaking his piece," we must realise that we all are different thinkers and we all have different "agendas." Some want to contribute, some just want to look around, and some don't want to come here. That's only natural.

It seems to me that Jamie and Puma are trying to do a VNA membership Awards show, serious, but also maybe tongue in cheek. If someone doesn't come here often, but wants to make some useful contributions/ideas, please do so. If you don't want to contribute, that is fine, too.

Now that I have a little better understanding of what Jamie and Puma are looking for, thanks to Jamie's PM, I will try to come up with a few sensible suggestions.

How about: Cam Girl with the biggest mouth? Funny, but serious, too, because we love our ladies and enjoy their laughter. The point is not to hurt or put anyone down, the point is to have fun and make people laugh. If we truly love each other, we don't laugh at others, we laugh with each other.

One question I'm not sure about: The Non-VNA ladies members don't have access to the forum, do they? Being on the forum, doesn't that make it exclusively for VNA ladies and members?

And, yes, it would be a shame if only 5 or 6 people joined in and offer suggestions. So, come on, folks. Let's all join in and offer some suggestions.