Lots to see and enjoy in this race, sadly no real figth for the win. After his second stop vettel came out of the pit still leading the race.
Good drive from lotus to finish 2nd and 3rd, seeing from where they started. Alonso never gives up, after resetting his drs he was almost last but still managed to end up in the points. The mercedes' were overheating the rear tyres so a win was along way off. that's something they really have to get on top of.
Now it's a long three week wait for the next Race in barcelona.
Is there a MotoGP thread here btw. Yesterday they were racing in Austin, texas. Marquez won the race and became the youngest winner of a top level motorrace ever.
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I'm looking forward to the start of the European season. Love Barcelona, Monaco, England (Silverstone), Belgium (Spa), Italy (Monza) ... FUN! 
No Moto GP thread around here yet and despite the fact Holland has its own circuit (Assen), I never really got into Moto GP...
No Moto GP thread around here yet and despite the fact Holland has its own circuit (Assen), I never really got into Moto GP...
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Forgot to write about the Spanish GP. A wonderful win for Alonso. Ferrari was the only team to use the tyres provided to there optimum. max attack and 4 pitstops. Afterwards red Bull started complaining that 4 pitstops were way to much. Funny thing is in 2011 they did 4 pitstops and everyone thought it was a brilliant move. How times can change.
Giving in to the pressure Pirelli will change the tyres from Canada onwards. Naturally some teams are very happy, the one complaining, and others are not, the ones who getting the most out of the tyres.
This weekend it is time for the Monaco GP. Bit of a strange race in this safety consious era. But i love the slow motion captures of the cars dancing trough the chicanes. The Mercedes cars are looking good for pole and with the lack of overtaking possibilties they may get a win. Mercedes has taken 3 poles in a row but failed to win each time. We will know sunday evening.
Giving in to the pressure Pirelli will change the tyres from Canada onwards. Naturally some teams are very happy, the one complaining, and others are not, the ones who getting the most out of the tyres.
This weekend it is time for the Monaco GP. Bit of a strange race in this safety consious era. But i love the slow motion captures of the cars dancing trough the chicanes. The Mercedes cars are looking good for pole and with the lack of overtaking possibilties they may get a win. Mercedes has taken 3 poles in a row but failed to win each time. We will know sunday evening.
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The Mercedes cars have trouble functioning under hot weather conditions. They manage to get pole position, but their setup and (choice of) tyres seem to be a big part of the problem as to why they aren't able to be consistent throughout the whole race. Plus, I think Rosberg has a mentality issue. I mean, is it the art of overtaking or does he just suck in trying to keep his car in front of another, lol... c'mon Nico! Spain; four drivers in one lap! Even if they can get one car on the front row again, I doubt Mercedes will be able to win Monaco.
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Well mercedes broke the spell and converted pole position in a race win. Rosberg came first, just like his dad 30 years earlier. Mercedes controlled the race perfectly from the front. I had the feeling that the other teams were just waiting to see what would happen strategywise, in stead of coming up with something different.
During the race is was clear that the streets are narrow. Perez tried to widen them a bit which didn't work everytime. In the end he had to retire after hitting Raikkonnen. kimi did very well to get back in the points, his 23rd points finish in a row. He is about to brake the record set by Schumacher.
In the end the race was to much about strategy, but that's monaco.
Next race will be Canada, nice long straights. Always nice races there.
During the race is was clear that the streets are narrow. Perez tried to widen them a bit which didn't work everytime. In the end he had to retire after hitting Raikkonnen. kimi did very well to get back in the points, his 23rd points finish in a row. He is about to brake the record set by Schumacher.
In the end the race was to much about strategy, but that's monaco.
Next race will be Canada, nice long straights. Always nice races there.
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Agree with ya, Marco, BUT... I do would like to bring something else up as well ... Mercedes' secret tyre test in Barcelona... tempest in a teapot??
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From what i understand the test was a pirelli test in which they used the Mercedes cars and drivers. Mercedes didn't have a say in what was to be done. Ross brawn isn't afraid of going to the edge of the rules but i don't think they are silly enough to do a full test while they know it's illegal. I just hope the FIA don't take away Rosberg's win, because it would mean Vettel will be known as the race winner.
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Testing is not allowed during the season, yet Pirelli ignored the rules and decided to go ahead with it anyway. That's changing the rules. That's like allowing Football clubs, after having played half of the season already, to make 5 substitutions during one match instead of 3. It's odd, it's not allowed, and Mercedes as well as Pirelli will now have to go to FIA's International Tribunal on June 20. To be continued...
Drivers Championship 2013
1. Vettel. 132
2. Alonso. 98
3. Raikkonen. 88
Well, I definitely enjoyed myself with the Canadian GP. Montreal has a fantastic track with two DRS zones. Bottas on P3, who would have expected that?! It's funny what different weather conditions can do, cause it's obvious the Williams car is good enough to end between 11th and 15th, but sure as hell not in the top 10. He had his moment of fame, though, lol. Harsh or realistic?
Awesome race by Vettel. He made one mistake in turn 1/2, but that's all, simply superb. Also liked the Hamilton/Alonso/Webber fight. Paul DiResta drove 57 (!) laps on the medium compound. Raikkonen didn't have his day, while McLaren lack a good car throughout the whole season, so far. And what the hell was Van Der Garde doing again? He has been punished with a 5-place penalty on Silverstone's starting grid.
Interesting to hear your opinion on the following.... will Webber stay with RedBull and if he isn't, which I believe, who will go to RedBull then? A driver from Toro Rosso or possibly Raikkonen..? And what about Pirelli.... will they keep delivering the tyres next season or will Michelin take over again?
Drivers Championship 2013
1. Vettel. 132
2. Alonso. 98
3. Raikkonen. 88
Well, I definitely enjoyed myself with the Canadian GP. Montreal has a fantastic track with two DRS zones. Bottas on P3, who would have expected that?! It's funny what different weather conditions can do, cause it's obvious the Williams car is good enough to end between 11th and 15th, but sure as hell not in the top 10. He had his moment of fame, though, lol. Harsh or realistic?
Awesome race by Vettel. He made one mistake in turn 1/2, but that's all, simply superb. Also liked the Hamilton/Alonso/Webber fight. Paul DiResta drove 57 (!) laps on the medium compound. Raikkonen didn't have his day, while McLaren lack a good car throughout the whole season, so far. And what the hell was Van Der Garde doing again? He has been punished with a 5-place penalty on Silverstone's starting grid.
Interesting to hear your opinion on the following.... will Webber stay with RedBull and if he isn't, which I believe, who will go to RedBull then? A driver from Toro Rosso or possibly Raikkonen..? And what about Pirelli.... will they keep delivering the tyres next season or will Michelin take over again?
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In season testing is not allowed for the teams, but it is allowed for Pirelli. Problem is that pirelli has, or had, a two year old car to develop the tyres for this and next year. That's why they wanted a newer car. We will know after the 20th of june.
I liked the race in Montreal. Except for the number one position in the race it was nice race to see. The Mclaren's were nowhere, they didn't finish in the points, something they have done in the last 64! races. They will have to decide to concentrate on the '14 car and let this season go.
Vd Garde said he wanted to be in the spotlights, not in this way i guess. :-) On the bright side his grid penalty won't be noticable since he's usually starting on the last row anyway. The Caterhams are losing their focus i think. The marussia's are beating them almost each race.
If Webber is to leave RB i don't hope he will leave f1, maybe a season with Ferrari? When there is a seat vacant at RB they must use their junior team Torro Rosso for once, what's the use to have that team if the drivers get kicked out after 2 season's. Just look at Algersuari and Buemi, not the worst drivers around.
Pirelli has a weird position, there making exactly the tyre the teams wanted and all they get is complaints. Not really the best advertising for them. But if they leave there will be someone else. i can't imagine F1 being without a tyre supplier.
I liked the race in Montreal. Except for the number one position in the race it was nice race to see. The Mclaren's were nowhere, they didn't finish in the points, something they have done in the last 64! races. They will have to decide to concentrate on the '14 car and let this season go.
Vd Garde said he wanted to be in the spotlights, not in this way i guess. :-) On the bright side his grid penalty won't be noticable since he's usually starting on the last row anyway. The Caterhams are losing their focus i think. The marussia's are beating them almost each race.
If Webber is to leave RB i don't hope he will leave f1, maybe a season with Ferrari? When there is a seat vacant at RB they must use their junior team Torro Rosso for once, what's the use to have that team if the drivers get kicked out after 2 season's. Just look at Algersuari and Buemi, not the worst drivers around.
Pirelli has a weird position, there making exactly the tyre the teams wanted and all they get is complaints. Not really the best advertising for them. But if they leave there will be someone else. i can't imagine F1 being without a tyre supplier.
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Brilliant race! 
Where to start, what to discuss? The punctures of Hamilton, Massa, Vergne and Perez. I have no problem believing some of the weirdest things that happen on planet earth, but I do NOT believe this is a coincedence, lol. Damn, Pirelli. "F1′s official tyre supplier said the failures were caused by teams using tyre pressures that were too low, swapping the tyres between the left and right sides of the car and using severe camber angles. They added the severity of the kerbs at some high-speed corners such as turn four also precipitated the failures". Unsure whether my horniness is affecting my ability to read, but are Pirelli saying the main problem is NOT on their end.... really, again??
Gotta admit Mercedes are doing pretty good, but that could well be due to the secret testing they did with Pirelli. I continue saying that Mercedes are unable to adapt on a track with high temperatures, but for the time being it's good to see RedBull having some competition. Sure as hell ain't coming from McLaren. I heard Whitmarsh say they are gonna focus on 2014. Not a bad call as the 2013 McLaren car is simply uncompetitive.
Sebas Vettel didn't make it to the finish, hope you didn't cry when his car stopped. Gotta love the sarcasm, lol. Had a few other sport events to watch, so I never really heard what sort of problem he had. Gearbox? And another thing.... Rosberg ignoring yellow flags? I've seen the whole race, but must have missed that part. Rosberg got reprimanded, but shouldn't he have gotten more than just that, such as a Stop/Go- or Drive Through Penalty?
Save the best for last. Another safety car situation. Rosberg, Webber and Alonso making an extra pitstop to get new tyres and I couldn't believe what happend when they came back on the track. Eyeballs popping out here! They passed by the others as if they had an extra gear, or more Kers, or were using a secret, third DRS zone, lol. Raikkonen and Lotus failed big time, as both mentioned on their radio: "Shouldn't we have made a stop, too?"
Moving on to Germany.
(.... Mateschitz gonna offer Raikkonen a few canns of RedBull? ....)
Where to start, what to discuss? The punctures of Hamilton, Massa, Vergne and Perez. I have no problem believing some of the weirdest things that happen on planet earth, but I do NOT believe this is a coincedence, lol. Damn, Pirelli. "F1′s official tyre supplier said the failures were caused by teams using tyre pressures that were too low, swapping the tyres between the left and right sides of the car and using severe camber angles. They added the severity of the kerbs at some high-speed corners such as turn four also precipitated the failures". Unsure whether my horniness is affecting my ability to read, but are Pirelli saying the main problem is NOT on their end.... really, again??
Gotta admit Mercedes are doing pretty good, but that could well be due to the secret testing they did with Pirelli. I continue saying that Mercedes are unable to adapt on a track with high temperatures, but for the time being it's good to see RedBull having some competition. Sure as hell ain't coming from McLaren. I heard Whitmarsh say they are gonna focus on 2014. Not a bad call as the 2013 McLaren car is simply uncompetitive.
Sebas Vettel didn't make it to the finish, hope you didn't cry when his car stopped. Gotta love the sarcasm, lol. Had a few other sport events to watch, so I never really heard what sort of problem he had. Gearbox? And another thing.... Rosberg ignoring yellow flags? I've seen the whole race, but must have missed that part. Rosberg got reprimanded, but shouldn't he have gotten more than just that, such as a Stop/Go- or Drive Through Penalty?
Save the best for last. Another safety car situation. Rosberg, Webber and Alonso making an extra pitstop to get new tyres and I couldn't believe what happend when they came back on the track. Eyeballs popping out here! They passed by the others as if they had an extra gear, or more Kers, or were using a secret, third DRS zone, lol. Raikkonen and Lotus failed big time, as both mentioned on their radio: "Shouldn't we have made a stop, too?"
Moving on to Germany.
(.... Mateschitz gonna offer Raikkonen a few canns of RedBull? ....)
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During the Silverstone GP i was walking around in the Zuiderzeemuseum, so sadly i missed the race. Would have loved to see vettel drop out of the race.
Last sunday i came home from Holland just in time to see the highlights on the BBC. But my phones, both mobile and landline were playing up so i wasn't really in the race. It was good to see Raikkonnen making live difficult for Vettel in the end. The race was just one or two laps to short, otherwise Raikkonnen would have won it.
About the tyres, Pirelli has said that the teams use to low tyre pressure and they fit the tyres incorrectly, left tyres on the right and vice versa. Not for the first time, last year red bull had problems because they kept the tyre pressures to low.
But for now Pirelli is bringing tyres with a kevlar belt in stead of a steel belt. They said the steel belts were overheating causing the tyre to wear out to quick or even blow up.
What ever Mercedes learned during their "secret" tyre test it doesn't look to be helping. Hamilton had two poles but didn't finish on the podium on both occasions. I wonder how eager the teams are to keep developing their cars, since there are new rules coming up next year.
Time will tell. For now on to the next race.
Last sunday i came home from Holland just in time to see the highlights on the BBC. But my phones, both mobile and landline were playing up so i wasn't really in the race. It was good to see Raikkonnen making live difficult for Vettel in the end. The race was just one or two laps to short, otherwise Raikkonnen would have won it.
About the tyres, Pirelli has said that the teams use to low tyre pressure and they fit the tyres incorrectly, left tyres on the right and vice versa. Not for the first time, last year red bull had problems because they kept the tyre pressures to low.
But for now Pirelli is bringing tyres with a kevlar belt in stead of a steel belt. They said the steel belts were overheating causing the tyre to wear out to quick or even blow up.
What ever Mercedes learned during their "secret" tyre test it doesn't look to be helping. Hamilton had two poles but didn't finish on the podium on both occasions. I wonder how eager the teams are to keep developing their cars, since there are new rules coming up next year.
Time will tell. For now on to the next race.
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Cool and tactical race, even though I'm normally not so fond of the Hungarian GP, as trying to overtake is almost a mission impossible.
RedBull surprised me with two different strategies, which near the end of the race almost led to Vettel and Webber fighting for third place; still 6 seconds between both, so not a "real" fight. Makes me wonder about what Christian Horner would have said. Team orders ain't allowed, yet I'm sure he would have come up with something. Furthermore, Ferrari driving around anonymously. Lotus and Mercedes on the other hand seemed really competitive again.
The Hungaroring had a track temperature of 50C, but as of now Mercedes (and I) should stop complaining about their tyre management. Bad luck for Rosberg in the first few laps, fantastic drive by Hamilton, which puts his move from McLaren to Mercedes in an interesting perspective. Yes, he wanted a new challenge, but maybe Lewis had inside information that made him decide to abandon the McLaren ship before it'd start sinking with him still on it....
Can I just say I'm totally fed up with Romain Grosjean?! That guy is causing so many collisions during a year.... Ugh! He has been handed a 20-second post penalty for the incident with Button. What's your thought on all the Grosjean incidents? Raikkonen managed to score points for the 27th consecutive race, which definitely puts him on top of my personal list of drivers I'd like to see taking Webber's seat next season. How much does Raikkonen get per year?
Special mention for Williams..... their first point of the season! Yay!
Next is Spa Francorchamps.
RedBull surprised me with two different strategies, which near the end of the race almost led to Vettel and Webber fighting for third place; still 6 seconds between both, so not a "real" fight. Makes me wonder about what Christian Horner would have said. Team orders ain't allowed, yet I'm sure he would have come up with something. Furthermore, Ferrari driving around anonymously. Lotus and Mercedes on the other hand seemed really competitive again.
The Hungaroring had a track temperature of 50C, but as of now Mercedes (and I) should stop complaining about their tyre management. Bad luck for Rosberg in the first few laps, fantastic drive by Hamilton, which puts his move from McLaren to Mercedes in an interesting perspective. Yes, he wanted a new challenge, but maybe Lewis had inside information that made him decide to abandon the McLaren ship before it'd start sinking with him still on it....
Can I just say I'm totally fed up with Romain Grosjean?! That guy is causing so many collisions during a year.... Ugh! He has been handed a 20-second post penalty for the incident with Button. What's your thought on all the Grosjean incidents? Raikkonen managed to score points for the 27th consecutive race, which definitely puts him on top of my personal list of drivers I'd like to see taking Webber's seat next season. How much does Raikkonen get per year?
Special mention for Williams..... their first point of the season! Yay!
Next is Spa Francorchamps.
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A really nice race where overtaking is always difficult. It's sometimes referred to as monaco without the barriers.
Good to see Hamilton win a race, after getting 3 poles this season. Rosberg was less lucky by blowing up his engine, something you don't see a lot anymore because of the 8 engine per season rule.
Glad to see Raikkonen could keep Vettel at bay in the last laps. Webber overcooked his tyres to much to overtake Vettel, i was hoping he would get him he had the soft tyres.
For me Grosjean is a diamond in the rough. i'm not blind for his mistakes but he is very fast in that Lotus. His overtake on Massa was a nice one, sadly he just left the track with all wheels so it got him a drive trough. And he is a lot less wild as last year. So he's learning.
Seeing who will get what seat next year will be interesting. Best thing will be for Red Bull to enter a few more cars since a lot of drivers would like to go there :-)
Williams have a lot of work to do. Being happy with the first point of the year while they are multiple worldchampions.
The next four weeks will be filled with "will alonso go to Red Bull ? " and what effect that will have on the others drivers.
As long as the championship will be tight till the end i'm happy. For now it's looking like Vettel will do it again :-(
Good to see Hamilton win a race, after getting 3 poles this season. Rosberg was less lucky by blowing up his engine, something you don't see a lot anymore because of the 8 engine per season rule.
Glad to see Raikkonen could keep Vettel at bay in the last laps. Webber overcooked his tyres to much to overtake Vettel, i was hoping he would get him he had the soft tyres.
For me Grosjean is a diamond in the rough. i'm not blind for his mistakes but he is very fast in that Lotus. His overtake on Massa was a nice one, sadly he just left the track with all wheels so it got him a drive trough. And he is a lot less wild as last year. So he's learning.
Seeing who will get what seat next year will be interesting. Best thing will be for Red Bull to enter a few more cars since a lot of drivers would like to go there :-)
Williams have a lot of work to do. Being happy with the first point of the year while they are multiple worldchampions.
The next four weeks will be filled with "will alonso go to Red Bull ? " and what effect that will have on the others drivers.
As long as the championship will be tight till the end i'm happy. For now it's looking like Vettel will do it again :-(
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People around the world are still in disbelief after witnessing 18-year old Dutch boy Max Verstappen write history as he managed to win the Spanish Grand Prix. It makes him the youngest driver ever to win a race and Holland has gone crazy since Sunday afternoon. A phenomenal talent who is expected to dominate F1 like Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher have done in the past. Admittedly, had both Mercedes drivers not crashed in that first lap, things would probably have gone differently, but it is simply incredible and surreal what has happened since Verstappen and Kvyat swapped teams.
As a fan of the sport and following it for 10-15 years, I caught myself having a shaky voice and some tears of joy. The race itself wasn't spectacular or anything, but the battle continued till the very last corner as Raikkonen didn't give up. He kept pushing, he kept trying to overtake by using DRS, but thankfully Max Verstappen was able to hold him off and finish in first place. I was so nervous that his tires weren't gonna last till the end, but thankfully they did!
Verstappen is a diamond in the rough.
As a fan of the sport and following it for 10-15 years, I caught myself having a shaky voice and some tears of joy. The race itself wasn't spectacular or anything, but the battle continued till the very last corner as Raikkonen didn't give up. He kept pushing, he kept trying to overtake by using DRS, but thankfully Max Verstappen was able to hold him off and finish in first place. I was so nervous that his tires weren't gonna last till the end, but thankfully they did!
Verstappen is a diamond in the rough.
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Ah just found this thread hidden at the bottom...
It was interesting to see Nico Rosberg following team instructions and letting Hamilton past - I'm not convinced Hamilton would have done the same; if he did he'd be sulking about it for weeks. The Monaco GP is always an interesting race for me - looks fantastic with all the money and glamour but the race is rarely interesting. The weather, safety car and tire changes made it ok to be fair.
For me the best race is Silverstone (yes I know I'm biased but it's such a great racing track) - I usually go every couple of years but not been since 2013. It's getting seriously expensive now!
Setting itself to be a great season.
It was interesting to see Nico Rosberg following team instructions and letting Hamilton past - I'm not convinced Hamilton would have done the same; if he did he'd be sulking about it for weeks. The Monaco GP is always an interesting race for me - looks fantastic with all the money and glamour but the race is rarely interesting. The weather, safety car and tire changes made it ok to be fair.
For me the best race is Silverstone (yes I know I'm biased but it's such a great racing track) - I usually go every couple of years but not been since 2013. It's getting seriously expensive now!
Setting itself to be a great season.
Bummed to see Verstappen crash twice in Monaco.... 
Silverstone is an awesome track with Maggots and Becketts being a thrill-seeking experience. I really like the Spa Franchorchamps and Montreal circuits too, whereas the Grand Prix in Singapore always provides us with a spectacular helicopter view.
I'm really happy Mercedes aren't being as dominant as last year. Gotta admit I started losing interest a bit as Hamilton on pole position and him winning every race tends to get boring for non-British folks, lol. He picked the perfect strategy last weekend to skip the intermediates and go straight to slicks, although Ricciardo would have won the race if his pitstop had gone the way it should.
Silverstone is an awesome track with Maggots and Becketts being a thrill-seeking experience. I really like the Spa Franchorchamps and Montreal circuits too, whereas the Grand Prix in Singapore always provides us with a spectacular helicopter view.
I'm really happy Mercedes aren't being as dominant as last year. Gotta admit I started losing interest a bit as Hamilton on pole position and him winning every race tends to get boring for non-British folks, lol. He picked the perfect strategy last weekend to skip the intermediates and go straight to slicks, although Ricciardo would have won the race if his pitstop had gone the way it should.
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Don't assume we all like Hamilton G-J - I think he's a whiny bitch lol. Vettel is probably my favourite driver of the current lot.
And yes, the Belgian Grand Prix is also an excellent race - always wanted to go to that one but dates always clashed with work commitments. It's a shame that races like that (and Magny-Cours) have disappeared off the calendar.
And yes, the Belgian Grand Prix is also an excellent race - always wanted to go to that one but dates always clashed with work commitments. It's a shame that races like that (and Magny-Cours) have disappeared off the calendar.
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