THE OFFICIAL PORN CHICK DRAMA & FIGHTS THREAD...

[George B]

http://www.tmz.com/2016/12/22/brazzers- ... ch_Results

ugh - I made the mistake of reading the comment section... there are some really horrible people out there.

[John_fromNY]

Re-post of an earlier post by me.

I apparently have now found the thread. Thanks Vicky. Thanks Walter.

Get thyself in here and enlighten us. How about your take on Nikki Benz vs Brazzers?

Well everyone knows about James Deen and what happened to him and how many ladies he's apparently sexually assaulted for the Brazzers network. I tend to believe the ladies. This guy sounds like a real scumbag. Anyway, a precedent was put into play. Backstory: Rape, incest and other nasty taboo stuff was in a group of fetish scenes called Pornstar Punishment. James Deen and Nacho Vidal did many of the Pornstar Punishment scenes. Those were the scenes that Brazzers pulled because Visa complained long and loud about them. Visa threatened to pull their funding because of the violent nature of rape scenes in Pornstar Punishment and all the other bad stuff. A porn network without major credit card backing is dead in the water. Mindgeek relented and a decision was made to pull the plug on Pornstar Punishment.

The results. Before and after PP: Nacho Vidal's scenes went from 93 (with PP) to just 11 now. James Deen's scenes went from over 393 (with PP) to 197 now.

Nikki Benz is the Brazzers Network spokeswoman. Is spokeswoman even the proper word? You can say "Top Pornstar" too. I'll use both here. Nikki became the official spokeswoman/top pornstar because of the success of the Benz Mafia scenes. It's because they are really good. She's also done alot of support work for Brazzers because of all of the "Brazzers House" functions. Nikki's scene count is very high over there at 86 scenes. I think she likes working for them.

Brazzers hasn't really had a spokeswoman/top pornstar for almost two and a half years since Madison Ivy had to give up the role because of the very serious, very bad car accident that she was in. Yes, it was around the time that Madison Ivy "won" the Twistys Treat of the Year. This had controversy. The voting was rigged. Anyway, a few months later after the Twistys fiasco, then Madison Ivy became the official Brazzers Network spokeswoman.

So Nikki is now complaining about a director who "put hands on her" and tried to choke her:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... fresh=true

Jenna Jameson is now in her corner.

Glad to see it wasn't Keiran Lee, Tommy Gunn, or Johnny Sins as the scene directors. Those guys are real gentlemen.

[Fr33Sprt]

Re-post of an earlier post by me.

I apparently have now found the thread. Thanks Vicky. Thanks Walter.

Get thyself in here and enlighten us. How about your take on Nikki Benz vs Brazzers?

Well everyone knows about James Deen and what happened to him and how many ladies he's apparently sexually assaulted for the Brazzers network. I tend to believe the ladies. This guy sounds like a real scumbag. Anyway, a precedent was put into play. Backstory: Rape, incest and other nasty taboo stuff was in a group of fetish scenes called Pornstar Punishment. James Deen and Nacho Vidal did many of the Pornstar Punishment scenes. Those were the scenes that Brazzers pulled because Visa complained long and loud about them. Visa threatened to pull their funding because of the violent nature of rape scenes in Pornstar Punishment and all the other bad stuff. A porn network without major credit card backing is dead in the water. Mindgeek relented and a decision was made to pull the plug on Pornstar Punishment.

The results. Before and after PP: Nacho Vidal's scenes went from 93 (with PP) to just 11 now. James Deen's scenes went from over 393 (with PP) to 197 now.

Nikki Benz is the Brazzers Network spokeswoman. Is spokeswoman even the proper word? You can say "Top Pornstar" too. I'll use both here. Nikki became the official spokeswoman/top pornstar because of the success of the Benz Mafia scenes. It's because they are really good. She's also done alot of support work for Brazzers because of all of the "Brazzers House" functions. Nikki's scene count is very high over there at 86 scenes. I think she likes working for them.

Brazzers hasn't really had a spokeswoman/top pornstar for almost two and a half years since Madison Ivy had to give up the role because of the very serious, very bad car accident that she was in. Yes, it was around the time that Madison Ivy "won" the Twistys Treat of the Year. This had controversy. The voting was rigged. Anyway, a few months later after the Twistys fiasco, then Madison Ivy became the official Brazzers Network spokeswoman.

So Nikki is now complaining about a director who "put hands on her" and tried to choke her:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/20 ... fresh=true

Jenna Jameson is now in her corner.

Glad to see it wasn't Keiran Lee, Tommy Gunn, or Johnny Sins as the scene directors. Those guys are real gentlemen.

Keiran is on her side, Tommy & Johnny I think would be the last male talents to do this to any lady Ive watched their scenes they do not give off the vibe in my eyes just saying. As far as TMZ they just need to stick to the celebrity bullshit.

[sugerdaddy]

I believe Nikkie Benz, what she have stated that she was raped. I think Brazers should pay her compensation for her shoot. It is disgraceful that men in the porn industry should not stand on her head and the Director should have stopped this shot.

[rokkerr]

https://avn.com/business/articles/legal ... 06076.html

[stickyvicky]

How do you know it's unedited? If there are any cuts in the video how do you know what has been taken out? Just trust them? Trust Brazzers? Yeah cause they are so honest? They don't lie, cheat or steal right?

Also I remember doing scenes back in the day, and it used to hurt like hell when doing doggie if a guy had a really long dick. (like 9 inches - it would bump my cervix and bruise it) So I asked not to do it or please be gentle if they had to have that. There were times the director would ask for it of course and the guy would forget. If you look at that footage it looks super hot, there is no way you could tell from the footage that I was in pain not ecstasy.

How something feels and how it looks can be two different things, so you can't always judge that way. Unless you are the one in the scene you can't decide for someone else how it felt. If she said stop they should have stopped. End of story.

[TheShaft]

How do you know it's unedited? If there are any cuts in the video how do you know what has been taken out? Just trust them?

Also I remember doing scenes back in the day, and it used to hurt like hell when doing doggie if a guy had a really long dick. (like 9 inches - it would bump my cervix and bruise it) So I asked not to do it or please be gentle if they had to have that. There were times the director would ask for it of course and the guy would forget. If you look at that footage it looks super hot, there is no way you could tell from the footage that I was in pain not ecstasy.

How something feels and how it looks can be two different things, so you can't always judge that way. Unless you are the one in the scene you can't decide for someone else how it felt. If she said stop they should have stopped. End of story.

Unedited? Yeah right. nope...can't trust him. Plus it took him two days to respond, and add to that all the other performers that have spoken up about him in the past couple days.

[WalterB]

The statement attributed to him sounds to me like pure BS.

Don't know if anyone wants to go that far, but a forensic analysis can show if something has been edited or not.

[John_fromNY]

Glad to see it wasn't Keiran Lee, Tommy Gunn, or Johnny Sins as the scene directors. Those guys are real gentlemen.

Keiran is on her side, Tommy & Johnny I think would be the last male talents to do this to any lady I've watched their scenes they do not give off the vibe in my eyes just saying. As far as TMZ they just need to stick to the celebrity bullshit.

I took male performers who've worked for the Brazzers Network and also have done extensive scenes as directors. And yes I agree with you. Keiran Tommy and Johnny are real gentlemen. They wouldn't be hurting a lady. You can even put Evan Stone, Jack Lawrence, and Randy Spears (who directed earlier scenes for them in 2005 and 2006.) Lexington Steele, Sean Michaels and Mark Wood have directed and produced (but not on Brazzers) -- Keiran, Tommy, Johnny, Evan, Jack, Randy, Lexington, Sean and Mark are all skilled professionals.

Guys that would be hurting ladies ... James Deen, Nacho Vidal, Lee Stone, Bruce Venture, and Marco Banderas. Not cool.

Unedited? Yeah right. nope...can't trust him. Plus it took him two days to respond, and add to that all the other performers that have spoken up about him in the past couple days.

Shaft, you know it and I know it. Everyone knows it. It's going to take two days for him to respond. That's normal. Especially if he's seeing an attorney for legal advice or if he needs legal representation.





George Harrison. Thread fixed. Merry Christmas!

[Anthony_JK]

I believe Nikkie Benz, what she have stated that she was raped. I think Brazers should pay her compensation for her shoot. It is disgraceful that men in the porn industry should not stand on her head and the Director should have stopped this shot.

In this case, it was the director himself who physically attacked Nikki and allowed the shoot to continue despite her protests.

I blame the system that allows Brazzers (and by extension Mindgeek) to outsource their individual titles and series concepts to individual producers without any screening or background checking of their histories of treatment of talent. It allows way too much leeway for producers to introduce their personal myopias and agendas and bring them into the set. It also allows for too much of a tolerance for performers/producers who have had abusive pasts but are given the benefit of a doubt because their scenes sell or because they don't abuse every female they see (coughJamesDeencough).

I think that there needs to be a system similar to the screening done for HIV done by the Free Speech Coalition via the FSCPASS protocols, but where performers can document and flag producers and performers with a history of abuse. Also, themes that cater to hyperaggressiveness need to be phased out totally. There needs to be a solid line between hot, aggressive sex and violence that should never, ever, be crossed.

[Anthony_JK]

How do you know it's unedited? If there are any cuts in the video how do you know what has been taken out? Just trust them? Trust Brazzers? Yeah cause they are so honest? They don't lie, cheat or steal right?

Also I remember doing scenes back in the day, and it used to hurt like hell when doing doggie if a guy had a really long dick. (like 9 inches - it would bump my cervix and bruise it) So I asked not to do it or please be gentle if they had to have that. There were times the director would ask for it of course and the guy would forget. If you look at that footage it looks super hot, there is no way you could tell from the footage that I was in pain not ecstasy.

How something feels and how it looks can be two different things, so you can't always judge that way. Unless you are the one in the scene you can't decide for someone else how it felt. If she said stop they should have stopped. End of story.

Remember.....Nikki has lawyers, too, and she knows how to use them. Ask Lisa Ann. I don't think anything will get past her. They picked the absolute WRONG person to attempt to abuse.

[stickyvicky]

They are basically still trying to shoot PORNSTAR PUNISHMENT, just without calling it PORNSTAR PUNISHMENT. You know, the series that was pulled by visa for being too violent. That is their claim to fame, their joi de vivre, their raison d'etre, it's why they are in business. They are known for that type of scene.

[ChrisXmaN]

what makes KINK or evilangel different when it comes to aggressive sex?

[CGYMike]

what makes KINK or evilangel different when it comes to aggressive sex?

I'm no expert, but if I were to guess it probably comes to what you sign up for. I can only imagine that when you shoot for Kink you're probably signing an agreement that might involve aggressive or demeaning sexual acts. Hey, some girls are into that, and if you're willing to do it, there are willing to film it. As long it is between consenting adults as far as the law is concerned, I would assume that it is good to go.

The line in the sand is very clear and when you do not give consent or have an "out" like a safe word or "stop" and someone says "keep rolling" you got a heap of trouble on your hands.

[Fr33Sprt]

BDSM & Bondage I can understand that some people might class it as (rape fantasy),honestly is not even the same but again I can see why someone would view it as so.

[Anthony_JK]

They are basically still trying to shoot PORNSTAR PUNISHMENT, just without calling it PORNSTAR PUNISHMENT. You know, the series that was pulled by visa for being too violent. That is their claim to fame, their joi de vivre, their raison d'etre, it's why they are in business. They are known for that type of scene.

What I don't get is that Brazzers doesn't really need to go there, since they have enough star power with their current talent to do conventional scenes. I'm guessing that they say they do these scenes because of "demand" from the public; though I'd probably say that it's more like the "demand" from a minority base of customers with lots of $$$$ who really do want to see such humiliating and "degrading" scenes.

It may take either VISA intervening again, or Nikki and a few other female performers embarrassing Mindgeek with a public rendering of abusive acts enabled by them, for this to change. Then again, with the new antiporn regime now taking over, it may not matter after all.

[stickyvicky]

what makes KINK or evilangel different when it comes to aggressive sex?

I don't know about Evil Angel, but at least with Kink you know exactly what you are signing up for. They have an actual list of things on paper even that the model puts X or 0 next to saying before hand what you are ok with and what you are not. I think Brazzers like to surprise the girls with the violence so that the camera catches authentic real fear and real tears on film.

[WalterB]

what makes KINK or evilangel different when it comes to aggressive sex?

I think Brazzers like to surprise the girls with the violence so that the camera catches authentic real fear and real tears on film.

And that's the part that turns me totally off. Hurting someone just to capture something on film is WRONG!

[George B]

what makes KINK or evilangel different when it comes to aggressive sex?

I don't know about Evil Angel, but at least with Kink you know exactly what you are signing up for. They have an actual list of things on paper even that the model puts X or 0 next to saying before hand what you are ok with and what you are not. I think Brazzers like to surprise the girls with the violence so that the camera catches authentic real fear and real tears on film.

The main tenant of BDSM is that everyone involved needs to be risk aware and that all play must be consensual. Kink attempts to provide transparency in what they're trying to achieve with their content. http://models.kink.com/k/shooting_rules.jsp?c=1

Not that Kink hasn't had their fair share of controversy (IE James Deen v Ashley Fires off-set & other violations), Kink shoots require completion of a written survey as well as a pre and post-shoot interviews. My impression is that they want performers that want to be there - shooting that kind of content - consensual performances, using safe words & respecting boundaries. I'm sure the ladies that have shot with Kink could weigh in on the subject, but my take is that they're very professional with their approach to the aggressive stuff.

[ChrisXmaN]

thanks for the clarification.....i'm not trying to defend brazzers or anything just trying to understand...because vicky was right, as a viewers we cant tell whats pleasurable or what isn't just by looking.