New flash buttons on main page!!??

[bossman2]

So how does everyone like the new flash buttons on the main members page?? They maybe great if you have a new computer but as right now I'm using a 2Ghz Mobil Pentium 4 class machine with 1 G of ram and those new flash objects suck up all my CPU so I can't do anything else and they make my computer almost unresponsive. That's the problem with lots of these "new" thingies that you can do with flash, too much overhead so it makes it bad for those that don't have a new high powered computer (maybe it's a conspiracy with Microsoft/Intel and Adobe to sell more new hardware and software LOL). Plus (not a big deal but for some of us...) you can't open a new window via the link from the flash button, at least that I know of (at least not easily, but can be done if you look at the source for that page - cntl Q for the source page when you're in Firefox - nope I lied you need to piece things to together to get the link from the source).

So if you you have an older computer using it to look at some of these fancy new web sites it not possible or very tough.

Sorry Vicky they look cool but not very practical in my mind....

[WalterB]

Maybe you need to upgrade from your Commodore T-1000, Bossman You seem to be pretty 'puter literate, so I assume you've done what you can to speed up your system.

One suggestion about opening new windows. Does your mouse have a wheel? If so, just click the wheel on the link, and the link will open in a new window. Sometimes the link is all ready set to do that, in which case you will get a message that tells you to just click on the link.

[LauraJebAndSue]

Bossman,

That may explain some things to us dumb ladies here. We told Vicky that our Sex Cam C. link hour glassed up and we thought it was a bad link. Maybe the laptops and PC brains were thinking to hard instead? The buttons look real cool and to woman that is most important! Ha Ha.

Poor Vicky, worked hours and days and if the cute buttons really eat up computer's brain as boss said that is not good for new members with less patients and understanding then some of us. When Jebby gets home we will have him see how much memory etc. the buttons use on our 3 systems. We are afraid of all that Ctrl Alt Delete stuff and may break something important.



Laura & Sue

[bossman2]

Maybe you need to upgrade from your Commodore T-1000, Bossman You seem to be pretty 'puter literate, so I assume you've done what you can to speed up your system.

One suggestion about opening new windows. Does your mouse have a wheel? If so, just click the wheel on the link, and the link will open in a new window. Sometimes the link is all ready set to do that, in which case you will get a message that tells you to just click on the link.

EEERRRR Wrong answer Walt, I think your 'puter must have fell off...
I tried what you said by clicking with the wheel button on my Mircroslop optical mouse (got one of the latest versions) and there's nothing there (I thought maybe I had missed something so I tried it, but I didn't think so since I NEVER make mistakes.. ), and if I do a pull down with the right button (the normal thing to do) you just get the "normal" flash options, no way to select the link to be opened in a new window or tab (and as I said before if you open the the source code for that web page you can't really see the link there directly, it's embedded as a number of variables that you have to put together to get the link). Waltenhiemer, what you're thinking about is right clicking on a normal html hyperlink and getting the pull-down that allows you to open the link in another tab/window. I was answering this post and opened Vicky's main page and my computer almost stopped as the CPU was max'd out.

But you're right Walt I have better computers, I have two 64 bit, dual processor 4G's of ram computers and they can handle this OK, but the point is not everyone has the latest and greatest and so you need to make the web page usable by the average user, and there are still tons of P4's class machines out there. This is my biggest complaint about most "glitzy" current web pages, they design all this glitter into them but it creates so much overhead that most computers can't handle it easily. Sure it works but like the trio says, not everyone understands this and then they wonder why their 'puter is not responding sometimes.. I'm getting a nose bleed now.. got to go to bed and recover....

[WalterB]

I tried what you said by clicking with the wheel button on my Mircroslop optical mouse (got one of the latest versions) and there's nothing there (I thought maybe I had missed something so I tried it, but I didn't think so since I NEVER make mistakes.. ), and if I do a pull down with the right button (the normal thing to do) you just get the "normal" flash options, no way to select the link to be opened in a new window or tab.... Waltenhiemer, what you're thinking about is right clicking on a normal html hyperlink and getting the pull-down that allows you to open the link in another tab/window.

No, Bossman, if I wheel click on a hyperlink, it immediately opens a new tab on the correct page, no drop-down menus or other clicks. I think part of that is covered either in Internet options or in Mouse options.

But you're right Walt I have better computers, I have two 64 bit, dual processor 4G's of ram computers and they can handle this OK, but the point is not everyone has the latest and greatest and so you need to make the web page usable by the average user, and there are still tons of P4's class machines out there.

Oh, I understand about older machines. One of mine is 4-5 years old, and it handles the buttons and other things as well. I'm sure that I assume that most have updated systems, which certainly may not be true. But, I also don't think that that should hold Vicky back. I'm guessing that if you build a site with only enough 'bells and whistles" so that all older and slower machines can handle it, then you're not going to get the support of the industry. You will get reviews such as "Altho Vicky is a gorgeous young woman, her site is slow and plodding and pretty flat. Not much glitter to attract and hold your attention."

People like "bells and whistles." It reminds me of the stereo I bought years ago. It has this great digital display on the front, maybe 12 leds for each channel, to indicate the audio level. Cool? Maybe, except it's not indicating output audio. If I turn the sound all the way down, the lights are still bouncing like crazy. So, it's sampling the audio somewhere back in the circuitry, before the volume control. May look cute, but not too useful. If I have ears, I all ready know that the audio is working. If I'm deaf, what good is a radio??

[bossman2]

Nope Walt you're wrong, you have the same outlook that the programmers I work with have.
You can still make the page look great just do it with less overhead so everyone can enjoy it!! Thing is Adobe comes along with something simple that's easier to do so everyone jumps on the bandwagon with all the bells a whistles going off loud and clear. Problem is Adobe is getting to be like Microslop, big and bloated they need to be more efficient and they can be. Thing is if no one pushes nothing will happen. Point is you can make these glitzy pages without these Adobe Flash add ins, it's just a little harder. And no offense to Ms Vicky I don't think those buttons with the little lines rolling through them does not add that much. Now if they glitter or change colors or something (or Flash, LOL) that might be better, but as they are they're not worth it, sorry about that but I'm just being honest about them.

[stickyvicky]

I had no idea they ate up memory. I tested it on tons of computers. I still have the computer I bought 9 years ago, the day I moved to the states, and it works fine on that one as well. See I get slammed all the time on the review sites about how plain the site is. They say, it's full of content, and she updates frequently, but the navigation sucks. It leaves too many windows open. So I made these buttons to not open in new windows. You can always hit the "back" button if you want to go back to the guest page, and everything on the guest page is available on the members page as well. So it's cleaner that way. If I were to follow your logic, I would keep the vids in very low resolution and put the pics up in 640x480 so they wouldn't be too big for the older computers to display. No matter what I do, someone is not happy. Sorry you're outta luck on this one. If I learn something else cool in school I'll replace it, but for now they stay, I have to work on Kora's site.

[Benny25]

The site goes smooth for both of my computers. Even my 6 year old. No problems here.

[LauraJebAndSue]

Vicky,

First the new avatar Rocks!!! Thx Benny!

We chicks are loving the "Cute' buttons = they look so great!!! Us ladies do not like "Plain" sites! And just used an 8 year old Pent II? what does that mean? and worked on there too. But jebby did show us how to Ctrl Alt Delete and go to the "Performance" tab and see what happens there when on Vicky Mem. page! Like Boss said, flash or something eats up our systems thinking power. Just need only 1 thing UP at a time when on Vicky and that makes scene to dim blonds here!

Plus Vicky, we can Not wait for Kora's site!!!

Laura And Sue

[koalaman35]

Vicky, the new avatar is interesting to say the least. And the site just keeps getting better every day. You're wonderful!

[Steinar]

No problem at my end either. And it looks great!

[bossman2]

OK so maybe this computer is a little old at 3-4 yrs but it's a typical computer a Moble Pentium working at ~1700MHz with 1G of DDR2 RAM (and I see lots of people out there with older computers, esp if they own them vs work computers). The page works fine as long as that's the only page I have open that needs much CPU power (at that point the CPU load is ~90%). But have a Youtube window or a weather.com window open or some glitzy corporate web site, the computer gets overloaded. I had the main page open for a minute while making this edit and the 'puter hung for a minute or so, so I closed the main window (you know how we jump from our emails direct to this board and then open another window to access the rest of the site?? We've talked about this before). The thing is the page may work fine if you only have that window open but the CPU load goes way up and can bite you if you're not aware and start adding more to the page. Also you computer should be able to run at near 100% CPU but then things start to slow down and it's also bad long term for the CPU as the heat usually goes way up, and that can kill you 'puter too. Don't you remember the Toshiba overheating and rebooting during cam shows Vicky? So IF you can, keep the CPU load down. Do yourself a favor Vicky and use the CPU performance meter that's part of the task manager in windows. It will make a little icon in the lower right icon tray and you can see the CPU load. If it's near max'd out all the time that's a bad thing. Then when you go to add more you may over load the CPU. Now Vicky you may not have as much trouble as some if you have a dual core fast new machine (and not using Vista, LOL) you won't see as much of a load but still if you have over 25-50% load just for that process that's probably not good. And BTW I've been talking CPU and not memory load/size. More memory is always good and will help speed things up so there's less swapping going on.

And last I understand the complaints you got from some reviewers that didn't like all the windows you got before, but you can fix that by just opening the link you're following in the same window vs opening a new one. Personally I like new widows but it can make things confusing and again overload the computer with too many open windows.


Anyway Vicky just be aware of you CPU load and try not to let it get too high or run away with things. It's not your fault it's the Adobe slopware you're using that's the problem and most likely they'll get worse before (and if) they get better...

[LauraJebAndSue]

Ok Boss,

That is way to much crap for us chicks and maybe even Vicky to read.

Do NOT beat around the Bushes!!! Your main Point was: "Anyway Vicky just be aware of you CPU load and try not to let it get too high or run away with things. It's not your fault it's the Adobe slopware you're using that's the problem and most likely they'll get worse before (and if) they get better..." KISS the next note!!! For all Clits Sake!!

Bad jebby showed us dim Blonds how to "Ctrl Alt Delete and go to "Performance Tab" on all sites. And Yes , all check this but Members home page eats up lots.

Trio

[bossman2]

Thanks Trio that's what I'm trying to say, just be aware of your processor load!!
..before it slaps you in the ass...

[koalaman35]

Excuse me! Did someone mention a slap on the ass? Vicky, I'm available! You can slap my ass any time.

[stickyvicky]

I tried it a couple of times, I have a bunch of stuff open, outlook, skype, icq, I'm ftping up to the site right now too. When the homepage loads, the cpu usage goes to 54% but it's only for a second, then goes right back down to 4%-12%. I'll ask my teacher about it at school. If need be, I'll change it at some point, but I gotta get these other 2 sites off the ground first.

[bossman2]

OK, I've tried this on more computers now and it seems my Dell 610 with its 1.8Ghz Mobile Pentium processor with 1G of DDR2 RAM does not work as well as some of my other similar computers. Whether that's because of the way it is configured (the OS load and applications and their interaction) or maybe the way this particular piece of hardware and software works together I'm not sure. But even on other similar computers the load goes up a great deal, so if you try to do much of anything else at the same time you have problems. If you're a serial or one thing at time kind of person then you'll be OK. Still we always try to write SW that minimizes the processor load, as you never know when you might need to add something that will push the CPU over the edge. For you computer Vicky (multi processor with lots of Fast DDR2 RAM) it should be less than a 10% load, if it isn't then its not good for just a "web page" vs doing something like video rendering or other video processing.

So anyway the bottom line, just be aware and if there are things to make those little Flash buttons run with less overhead, then I'd do it and I'd say it's worth while looking into for the future. OK enough....

[stickyvicky]

I spoke to 2 different teachers at school about it and he said the buttons are no big deal. They use no juice in comparison to websites like Nike and other interactive sites. The software is there to be used and I should use it. All computers within the last 5 years should handle it fine. So I'm leaving it for now....

[LauraJebAndSue]

Vicky,

We love all that you do. But maybe Boss is correct? (Boss do you need our Mailing address for the $500 check? Ha Ha!)

Naughty Jeb showed us how to do "Ctrl, Alt Delete" and watch performance tab while on a site, and you eat up lots!!!

[WalterB]

I just don't see it here. Even with three pages up, with Vicky's Join page on one, and the full screen Smilies page up front, I'm still only using 35% - 50%. either my LT or DT. I realise all machines are different, but it all seems to work just fine on mine.