was wondering what you guys thought of this guy

[stickyvicky]

http://avn.com/index.php?Primary_Naviga ... _ID=289265

His movies were the original ones to cause the justice department to start doing searches and starting new departments specifically to shut down porn, creating new laws, etc... I just don't know why everything has to be so extreme? I totally believe in free speech and do not believe in censorship (like in china, lol) but where do we draw the line? Why the rape scenes all the time? rape is not sex, it is anger and hatred .... I can understand rough sex and all, but this topic always baffles me. As part of the adult industry I feel we have to support and protect our own, but I am so against anything that is violent.

[Anthony_JK]

What do I think of Rob Black and his projects??

How about two words: NOT. SEXY.

But....as much as I despise his work and choose not to view it, and would loudly reccommend others not to do the same, I'm not going to cede anything to the government who wants to censor him...because that would cede to the government the right to go after Vicky and Nina next.

No one forces anyone to watch his videos, and the solution to not being exposed to porn you hate is simply to buy more of the porn you love...and support those whom you like that much more.


Anthony

[stickyvicky]

But what about impressionable youths 18 and 19 who come across it, watch it and then think that is how sex is supposed to be? They don't know any better so assume that is "normal" and then want to do that to their dates?

[Anthony_JK]

Well, Vicky....that's why we have people in the biz like Tristan Taormino and Candida Royalle and Nina Hartley and Vicky Vette, now don't we??? :lol:

If young adults are so impressionable that they see Rob Black's videos as representative of what sex should be like, then they can be equally impressionable to be swung in the right direction, too.

I'm not saying that I'm all for that kind of video, myself...but I don't trust the government we have in power to stop themselves at that particular brand of porn. I'd rather censure as opposed to censorship.


Anthony

[Donor]

Ms Vicky, You are so right. Sex is suppose to be a beautiful, wonderful emotion between two consenting people. Notice I did not say a man and a woman. I know there are people that love to have sex with someone of the same sex, that would be their preferance not mine. I for one think it should be tender loving making with no pain of any kind.

I do not know MR, Black or his work, but if it has anything to do with miss treating a woman I for one do not want to know him.

[stickyvicky]

A friend of mine tells me it's ok, we should be happy there are people like that because it makes our stuff look wholesome and they'll leave us alone.

[WalterB]

(Sorry, folks. This turned into a rant, but I decided to leave it in. If I offend you, I'm sorry. But, it's the way I feel. Vicky, dear, you asked how I felt.)
We have become a society where anyone is pretty much allowed to do anything they want anytime they want to anyone they want. There are many things you folks like that I think should be banned (that Opie and watizface you mentioned, Howard Stern, Marilyn Manson to name a very few.) But, how far do you let censorship go? Do we want to be like China? Of course not. We all have different tastes, likes and dislikes. The best we can do is go forward with some semblance of good and bad, right and wrong. It has to be up to each individual to decide what he will allow in his life. There is one simple way to continue the fight. You do not support what you disagree with. I have heard enough of the above mentioned that I simply do not listen. I can't understand how someone can say they disagree with the degradation and belittling of others, and yet, think that Opie and Butthead (whatever) are worthy of 2 cents of their time. Funny? NOT!!! Freedom tells us that they are allowed to do as they wish. Personals dictate whether you pay attention or not. Some of my perversions would be considered by many to be sick or horrible, but, whatever, they are personal to me and people who agree. I in no way condone the hurting, belittling or perversion of other people against their will. Homosexuals, transexuals, I do not like any of that. But I will fight for their right to live their lives the way they want. Same goes for those I mentioned above that I don't like. I don't listen or pay attention, but they have the right to feel/believe the way they do. I simply ignore them. They are not worthy of my time.

[stickyvicky]

I do agree with you Walt and of course I'm not offended at all....

I am opposed to censorship too, but have you ever heard the expression "one bad apple spoils the bunch"?

The problem is that people think all porn is the same. They paint us all with the same brush. I can see both sides of the coin, I love my porn and would fight to the end for it. I would have no problem with my kids watching porn like mine or Nina's or many others. But I would never let them watch a girl being forced to gag on a huge cock until she starts throwing up, or sucking sperm out of someones ass with a straw.... but how would I stop my children from watching it?

I had a really interesting conversation with a bishop from the mormon church a few months ago. He sat next to me on a flight from atlanta to london (I was on my way to visit Rokkerr). We talked for 8 hours about things like this. He had 3 children, he homeschooled, programmed his tv, and supervised his children every second of every day, because he didn't want them seeing pornography or violence. Now personally I think that is going overboard, and his children will be so sheltered that once they leave the nest and go into the real world they will be overwhelmed and go a little crazy. I've known several families like that, and seen it happen over and over. But what else is he to do?

The other problem is that all the girls that are doing these types of scenes, like max hardcore and extreme, are so young. Most of them are only 18 or 19. They really have no idea what they are doing. They don't have the life's experience (or self confidence) under their belts to have good judgement. It may emotionally scar them, or even turn them off of men for the rest of their lives. Where are these girls a few years later? What is the next step for them after doing scenes like that?

[Donor]

Walt and Vicky, I am for personal censorship. If you don't like it don't watch it. My wife and I rasied two daughters in the seventies, early eighties. We both read Penthouse, Playboy and Playgirl and we never hid them from the girls. My daughters are great ladies now and have no probelms. If they ask either one of us a question we would answer them honestly and up front. They went in adult life with the knowledge how girls got pregnant and caught diseases. To me it is all a person can do raising children.

[WalterB]

Thank you, Vicky. The one person I worry about offending here is you. (You other clowns - ah hell, I love all of you, ya know. :lol: ) I fully agree with everything you say. And you, as well, Donor. I fully agree that education starts at home. If we take the time to love our children, to teach them right from wrong, to not be ashamed or afraid, then they can go into the world reasonably well equipped to handle whay life throws at them. The unfortunate part is that so many never get that love and caring, that 'education.' So, when they get on the streets, they are dazzled by the sparkle and charm, and they are victims for every sleaze-ball on the market. I've mentioned trepidation about a couple things you have embarked on, Vicky, but I am more confident now, realising that you are smart, articulate, and capable. There are many out there who could benefit from your 'mothering.'

[John_fromNY]

Hello everyone... Vicky and all the guys who have posted here on this thread already,

Let's see a few other pioneers here in the pornography industry to talk about here... Hugh Hefner of Playboy, Bob Guccione of Penthouse, Larry Flynt of Hustler, and ... Al Goldstein of Screw to discuss .. Is Robert Zacari , his real name, in this category, no maybe.. as disgusting is the proper and right words to describe him !!! ... I accessed the tour page of this, the Extreme Associates website... Oh, my God...what words come to my mind... strange, bizarre, weird, crazy, demented, and horrible beyond belief...Rape scenes, hatred and violence, anger, and bitterness, people being defecated on, vomiting scenes ... [Yes, I've been to a few sites, "Extreme Holly" on the Internet, for example, whereby she too gags, then vomits on the guy after giving him a "deep" throat type blowjob], dominatrix (master and mistress) scenes beyond whips and chains here... more bodily functions onto the victim, more defecation!!!... So that they are made to enjoy it ... no, not in the very least. A knife to the victim's throat to perform a carnal act under duress ... Now, you may call S/M and bondage into play here too. Ken Marcus' site (I mentioned him before) is bizzare and strange too but his stuff is in very good taste as to what Mr. Zacari is putting out here.... no, this is not my style of entertainment!!! This is just violence breeding hatred and degradation upon both the male and female victims here. Yes, victims is the right word. And Mr. Zacari and his production company should be shut down by the federal agents, and his assets seized.... Why? Because this goes beyond pornography, it borders on the obscene. "Harder than hardcore" is how they describe it. Will it impact other porn websites?, Vicky and Nina Hartley's were mentioned -- no, not in the very least. Why? Because the First Amendment protects them... Obscene stuff, like the stuff Mr. Zacari is peddling here... well that will need to be determined by the men sitting with the black robes on... Christ Almighty, why not show a snuff film, whereby an actual murder takes place on camera; a few shotgun blasts, or an actual suicide, even torture being shown, a decapitation or two, a castration, or a mauling by a wild aninmal, such as a bear or wolf, how about stuff for pedophiles and child pornography? ... Oh, wait.. all these are already there as bonus links here at Mr. Zacari's Extreme Associates website...

... However, Anthony is right about what he's saying "that censure as opposed to censorship is what's best here." ... The pornographic industry, maybe the AVN and other ruling bodies, should censure him ... We, the members, make the choices to enroll in a site like this. Anyway, boy, I wouldn't want to be on those enrollment listings when the government came in and confiscated all this information. If I was, just throw me in jail now, lock me up and throw away the key!!

... And Donor is right too because "if it has anything to do with mistreating anybody I, for one, do not want to know him either".... I'm a lover not a hater.... A little weirder than most (my private thoughts...Hehe... A smile!!) ... but a lover all the same....

[rokkerr]

Allow me to pontificate on this subject.

I remember the good old days of porn in the late 80's and early 90's where there was an attempt to make a movie and you could only get the stuff at your local store. Now, with porn a click away, the world has become flooded with porn and you can see everything without stepping outside of your home. Anyone can literally pick up a camera and make porn and put it on the web. There is such a glut of porn people think they need to make porn that denigrades women or that is otherwise over the edge.

Vicky and I talked about this and we decided we had to do inventive, different things. I think a blowjob at 32,000 feet is different, being in Spain with a crazy English girl, investigating a tunnel in Austria, a deepthroat contest with Puma Swede, different....... not the run of the mill, suck, fuck etc etc etc....

So far we have more members than ever which surprised me since I was not in the business before. Having been in the business now and surfed the stuff that is out there, it gets to you after a while. You see people that are so young, being paid so little (if at all) being used to get video footage that will be on the web for the rest of their lives.... my personal opinion is that an 18 year old girl may think she knows what she wants but by the time she is 28 ends up truly regretting the decisions made before. Call me crazy but isn't it time to insist that you at least be 20 before getting into this stuff? 18 means you can start making money in porn or think about going to college? Too many people say they are going to make a few bucks before going to college and never go....

Oh, well, just my two cents...... can I get back to making reality porn now? :? :) :twisted:

[WalterB]

...can I get back to making reality porn now?

Ummm, no! (teeheehee)
You all are correct. Todays world, ok, the 'electronic' world, the personal media world, is run by and for 'youngsters' (no offense from TheOldGuy,) meaning youth, people less than 30. Look at old TV shows of the 50s and 60's and into the 70's. The audiences are all people in their 30s, 40s, 50s. Advertising was aimed at "old people," 40s, 50's etc. They were the ones with the money. But in todays electronic age, the young, starting at 13 are growing up like never before. They have the money. They have to have the latest gadget, so mom and dad fork out the hundreds of dollars to keep little junior up with the latest fad. Have you seen the cute phone commercial where the cute little girl talks to her mom in 'code?" (Mom - What's up with all these text messages?" 10 yr old: "INBD." Mom: No big deal? Who are you texting 50 times a day?" Cute li'l girl: "IDK, My BFF Jill?") Advertising promotes this behavior. "Code" is great for texting, but taboo for my kid to talk to me. The kids today are 'hip' and 'cool,' but they still are not smart and savvy about the things that only life experience can bring you. The girls you talk about are, as you all have said, ready to go out and explore their new-found freedom, but still aren't 'grown-up' enough to be aware of the dangers. I still believe you shouldn't be allowed into the porn industry until maybe 25 or so. I don't know, you can't censor what people want to do. I just wish there were a better way to help them see and learn the bad side. (And, actually, maybe talking in codespeak would help me cut my rants down to manageable size, ya think?? :lol: ) Even now, I'll bet most of you can look back 20 years and say, "Man, I thought I was so cool." Or, "I can't believe I used to think that was "hip."

[John_fromNY]

Speaking of codespeak... and I'm not talking about George Orwell's masterpiece with Winston, Julia, O'Brien and Big Brother, 1984. That, in and of itself, was great.

And you thought the film with Malcolm McDowell was good....

... try to read Anthony Burgess' masterpiece A Clockwork Orange ... that first page... takes close to an hour and a half to two hours to read... there's even a glossary in the back to look up terms and words used in the book.