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May 16th, 2008, 12:14 pm

rokkerr wrote:I for one think Helter Skelter is incredible.... for a band that played Help to go to that is quite a feat..... it is a scary song but powerful.... some of the best songs in the world are not perfectly played....
Try this White Album tune on for size, I always thought it was way underated:


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May 17th, 2008, 1:10 am

Now THAT's Funny. I don't care WHO you are!
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May 17th, 2008, 10:53 am

HotRunningLady wrote:Now THAT's Funny. I don't care WHO you are!
Those you see are the actual monkeys from the Wizard Of Oz. In the pic you can see them practicing a dance number for an upcoming off-Broadway show. :lmao:

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November 23rd, 2008, 3:11 pm

Whew! Took me forever to unearth this thread!

Remember when everyone jumped on the "Ban the Beatles" bandwagon after John made his "We're More Popular Than Jesus" remark?
Check out what the Vatican is saying about the Beatles and John now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081123/ap_ ... an_beatles
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November 24th, 2008, 5:38 pm

Benny, the ridiculous outcry over John's remark in 1966 would not even raise an eyebrow these days. John was simply speaking the truth and people back then were too stupid to understand him. He would be still huge nowadays if he was still alive.
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November 24th, 2008, 8:12 pm

Sometimes it's sad to say, but sometimes the truth hurts. They WERE more popular than Jesus.
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November 25th, 2008, 9:32 pm

AussieSteve wrote:Benny, the ridiculous outcry over John's remark in 1966 would not even raise an eyebrow these days. John was simply speaking the truth and people back then were too stupid to understand him. He would be still huge nowadays if he was still alive.
I'm sure he would be. I'm an old Beatles fan from day one and I remember when he made that statement. John was always open minded and spoke his mind and more often than not he had to face a lot of criticism for his candidness.
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November 25th, 2008, 9:56 pm

As a result of his scream therapy sessions with Yoko in 1970 where he dealt with two major things: The death of his mother Julia. The guilt issues that he had. And the abandonment by his father, Fred. Who he blamed on just plain greed (his father who had nothing to do with him, came out of the woodwork, when the Beatles became world famous) ... and the contributing album that came about as a result, in Plastic Ono Band, John said that God ..." was a concept" He also said in that song "God" that he didn't believe in Bible, Buddha, Mantra, Yoga, Gita, Kennedy, Elvis, Zimmerman, Jesus, etc. AND Beatles.... So regardless of what other people think, for example, publicist Eliott Mintz, promoters Bill Graham, Sid Bernstein and Bill Sargent. Am I missing any others? Then TV producer Lorne Michaels with his "offer", and activist David Peel, and that contingent, there could never be a Beatles reunion (with all four anyway) ... much too much controversy with "How Do You Sleep," his dig at Paul and "Yesterday." Paul was very hurt by that song. And he countered with "Dear Friend" from the first Wings album, Wild Life.
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November 28th, 2008, 6:10 am

rokkerr wrote:In honor of John the Beatles guy..... and since I have a thing for the Beatles myself, I figured we would get away from the sex for a moment. What is your favorite Beatles song and why? I literally have every Beatles song on vinyl........

My favorite? Hmmmmm tough one. I will think about it and place it here
You're right, it is a tough one.

The top-five list for me would include A Hard Day's Night, Eleanor Rigby, All You Need is Love, Ob-La-Do Ob-La-Da (covered for TV's Life Goes On), and Here Comes the Sun.
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November 28th, 2008, 6:16 am

Benny wrote:Whew! Took me forever to unearth this thread!

Remember when everyone jumped on the "Ban the Beatles" bandwagon after John made his "We're More Popular Than Jesus" remark?
Check out what the Vatican is saying about the Beatles and John now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081123/ap_ ... an_beatles

That remark is widely believed to have led to his eventual murder.

I hope Mark David Chapman NEVER gets out of prison. The only time I have ever supported the death penalty was when he killed Lennon. I finally decided it wasn't worth it to execute him and nobody else could be that bad.

I hope they keep him isolated from the prison population as the worst criminal in the state of New York.
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November 28th, 2008, 10:10 am

WOW, cool thread. I am sad I am just running into it... .Ok this is an honest statement...First song I ever learned on the Guitar was "Norwegian Wood". What an Irony that many years later, most of my wood be a result of a hot Norwegian.
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December 3rd, 2008, 11:48 pm

lol.. accidentaltribe. :lmao: :lmao:

Seriously, a good song you chose. John and Paul play the guitars mainly as "Norwegian Wood" off Rubber Soul was the first song that made use of George's great sitar playing. Next came, "Within You Without You" off Sergant Pepper. The only other English musician to play it or to attempt it was Brian Jones. Though Ravi Shankar from India was a well known player too. As for Americans, I heard that Carl Wilson and Mike Love from the Beach Boys experimented with it too.

Hofstra University recently had a symposium on George's life and his music. I heard good reviews.
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December 4th, 2008, 12:58 am

Ya it's great stuff..... I do want a Citar though
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December 4th, 2008, 1:54 pm

Hey, John, did you ever see "Stoned?" Was wondering what you thought of it. If not, I'm sure I could burn you a copy and send it to you.
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December 6th, 2008, 1:12 pm

Ahh yes, the Brian Jones story... correct? I saw it. Good stuff. Though they didn't really get into Donovan Leitch staying with Linda Lawrence, Brian Jones' widow, after he died in that terrible accident. Donovan, of "They call me...Mellow Yellow fame", did later adopt Julian as his own son though. :D :D
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December 6th, 2008, 3:36 pm

Interesting. Thanks for the update.
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March 10th, 2009, 10:08 pm

I just checked a website called http://lyricsmode.com.

This website has the YouTube video of "Hey Bulldog" Along with a lot of other Beatles tunes, on video. Of course, the lyrics to the songs are provided as well.

I've always liked George's Harrison's song, "It's All Too Much" off the Yellow Submarine album. The song is another lovesong to his first wife Patti Boyd. Like "Something." So I looked up this song there at the website.

Click on the lyrics & video button and check this link:



The clip that they have is an extended version of the song. With unpublished lyrics, sung by George. It is longer than the YS album playing time of 6 minutes 27 seconds. It clocks in at an elapsed time 8 minutes 17 seconds.

The video that they cut for this - that follows along with the song - is very emotional. Mind you it is very well done. As they did a retrospect of his life it seems. It is very strong and influential. Though it is very eerie at points. You'll see George with John, Paul and Ringo. You'll see him with Patti. And other personal videos as well, like his posing in a dungaree jacket with Klaus Voorman's wife. Along with him and the group in India, and during the filming of Magical Mystery Tour. Though mainly there are pictures of him with the Beatles, but you'll see him in some video and pictures when he recorded Wonderwall Music, his first solo album - he is playing the sitar - from the floor while sitting indian style. Playing it like a pedal steel guitar. And lastly, some pictures and stills from the All Things Must Pass sessions... "George with Wings" ...You will enjoy it.
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March 11th, 2009, 11:23 am

What a great find! Thanks John!
I always suspected that you had a penchant for that song as you use that phrase "it's all too much" in many of your posts. I also think that that song was one of George's best. I can't tell you how many hours I tripped to that song in my past life. I said in another Beatles post that George wasn't the greatest guitarist but without him I don't think the Beatles would have clicked like they did.

Another song that George wrote and appeared in the YS album was "It's Only A Northern Song". Do you know the story behind that one?
George called it, "A joke relating to Liverpool, the Holy City in the North of England."
Northern Songs was The Beatles publishing company, so they were in charge of paying royalties to the songwriters. Harrison had a bad deal and didn't always get a fair share of the publishing royalties. He took out those frustrations in this song.
Rumor has it that George wrote this song in about an hour in the middle of the night while an orchestra was waiting for him. The producer of the Yellow Submarine film needed one more song as filler and George volunteered to go write one. The song, however, was written in February of 1967 when they were working on Sgt. Pepper. To quote Steve Turner in his book A Hard Day's Write, "The song was a sly dig at the business arrangements of the Beatles. Their songs had always been published by Northern Songs Ltd, 30% of whose shares belonged to John and Paul with Ringo and George owning only 1.6% each. This meant that John and Paul, in addition to being the groups main songwriters, were benefiting again as prime shareholders in the publishing company. As far as Northern Songs was concerned, George was merely a contracted writer."
So, as far as George was concerned, it didn't matter what he wrote because the bulk of the money was going into other people's pockets. In the beginning, this didn't bother him, but when he started to feel that his songs were actually good, that's when he started feeling screwed.

Here's what Wikipedia says about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Only_a_Northern_Song

And here's the Youtube clip.
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March 12th, 2009, 11:34 pm

Very interesting Benny!! I had forgotten all about that story. Great dissonance and dischord on that one.. Haha!! Yes, George and Ringo were indeed contracted musicians within the group.

As yes, just like Apple Records much later on, as they had James Taylor and almost but not quite: Fleetwood Mac. Peter Green and Mick Fleetwood had again met with John and Paul, this time formally, in the London offices of EMI and Peter, as his group's leader, was very anxious and a little overwhelmed. John and Paul had met Peter and John McVie earlier at a London club backstage right after they had broke away from John Mayall's group, the Bluesbreakers. Also, and among other things, Mick was married to Jenny Boyd - who, of course, is Patti's younger sister. Both Jenny and Patti were high fashion models. Though Patti was the more famous one!! And Patti was also married to none-other-than... ta da.... George Harrison!!

[Later however, Fleetwood Mac would sign with Blue Horizon Records, which was part of Warner Brothers/Reprise Records because of Mike Vernon. Mike Vernon was the legendary and very knowlegdeable blues based producer and engineer who worked with Andrew Loog Oldham, John Mayall and the BluesBreakers, Alxis Korner and Blues Incorporated, and lastly, Cream for Robert Stigwood Productions.]

Though some of George's other songs come to mind as well.... "Apple Scuffs," "Sue Me Sue You Blues," and even "My Sweet Lord" in that context because of the plagarism claim later between him and the Chiffons and their song, "He's so Fine" and eventually representing the Chiffons in that case against George Harrison - Mr. Allen Klein, the Beatles former manager at Apple Nems Enterprises. Though in 1971 he was representing Harrison and later switched sides.
Joseph C. Self wrote:
"In an interview published in the November 27, 1992 issue of Goldmine magazine, George Harrison stated that the events that occurred during the litigation of a claim that he had plagiarized the melody for his worldwide smash hit, "My Sweet Lord" from a hit single from 1963 called "He's So Fine" would fill a book. Maybe so, but this article is designed to boil down what happened in the court proceedings to a concise and understandable account of several years of litigation.

As with my prior article on the Lennon-Levy suit, I have gone to what I consider the primary source for my information: the written opinions published by the courts that passed judgment on the facts presented to it. (footnote 1) The court had to decide if Harrison had infringed the copyright of "He's So Fine" (or HSF) in composing "My Sweet Lord" (or MSL) and if so, then a determination as to the damages due to the holder of the copyright would have to be made.

HISTORICAL BACKGROUND OF THE CASE

The story starts in 1962, when "He's So Fine" was recorded. It was composed by Ronald Mack, recorded by the Chiffons, and was owned by Bright Tunes Music Corp. in 1971 (the opinion does not say if the song was originally published by Bright; however, as Paul McCartney can tell you, ownership of song copyrights can be transferred from one publishing company to another). It was a big hit in the United States, hitting the top of the Billboard charts for five weeks. (footnote 2) It was moderately successful in England, reaching Number 12 on one chart on June 1, 1963, a week that saw "From Me To You" topping the charts. Harrison acknowledged that he was familiar with "He's So Fine".

During the next seven years, "He's So Fine" was little more than a song that was played on the "golden oldies" request lines. Harrison had gone on with the Beatles to become wildly successful, and in 1970 was embarking on a solo career.

In December, 1969, George was playing in Copenhagen, Denmark, with Delaney and Bonnie and Friends. Billy Preston was part of that group. Harrison told the court that the song that became "My Sweet Lord" was conceived when he slipped away from a press conference and began "vamping" some guitar chords, fitting the chords to the words "Hallelujah" and "Hare Krishna." Later, members of the band joined in and lyrics were developed.

Harrison took the idea further during the following week. Upon returning to London, Preston went into the studio to make an album, and while George was not playing on the record, he was supervising the work. The unfinished "My Sweet Lord" was brought up, and was worked into a finished version. Part of this completed song included a second section that differed significantly from the first section (more on this below). Although the song apparently had many mid-wives, Harrison is solely credited with the birth of "My Sweet Lord". (footnote 3) The Preston recording was issued by Apple Records, and a "lead sheet" containing the melody, words and harmony was submitted for the United States copyright application.

However, it was not the version recorded and released by Billy Preston that led to two decades of litigation. George Harrison recorded a version of "My Sweet Lord" for his album, All Things Must Pass, and released "My Sweet Lord" as the first single from that album. It was released on November 28, 1970 in the United States and was a number one hit shortly thereafter.

On February 10, 1971, before it even completed its fourteen-week run on the chart, Bright Tunes filed suit against George Harrison, his English and American companies, (Harrisongs Music, Ltd. and Harrisongs Music, Inc., respectively), Apple Records, BMI, and Hansen Publications. For sake of ease of reading, a reference to Harrison is meant to refer to all defendants in the suit unless otherwise stated.

Very soon after the suit against Harrison was filed, Allen Klein, who was then acting as manager for Harrison, met with Seymour Barash, the president and major stockholder of Bright Tunes to try to resolve the dispute. (footnote 4)

Klein suggested that Harrison would be willing to purchase the entire Bright catalog; Barash had countered with a proposal that the copyright to MSL be surrendered to Bright, and Harrison would receive half of the proceeds derived from MSL.

No further progress was made toward a settlement, and preparations were made to defend the case. Klein assisted Harrison in finding musicologist Harold Barlow to give an opinion as to the lack of merit of the lawsuit and it was Klein that engaged the attorneys that defended Harrison...."

The rest of this interesting story is located at

http://abbeyrd.best.vwh.net/mysweet.htm
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March 15th, 2009, 1:23 am

John and Benny,

Thanks to both of you for the great posts about the Fab 4. I've been a Beatles fan ever since John Lennon's tragic death and the huge media coverage of that. I was too young in the 60's to remember them as a group.

I became a fan after listening to songs such as "A Day In The Life" (my favourite Beatles song) and bought the Beatles box set on cassette in the early 80's. I have a number of Beatles books including the A-Z of the Beatles and a book with the lyrics of all the songs they wrote (excluding the early cover versions they recorded).

I'll be posting stuff from time to time here. Also, if anyone has any questions about the Beatles or the individual members, ask away and I'll try to answer them.

This is a great thread!!
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