WHO IS PAYING THE MOST (OR LEAST) IN THE WORLD FOR GAS????

[WalterB]

Prices here are mostly down 10¢ - 20¢/gallon, but still over $4. The 20¢ drops result in prices of $4.01/$4.02. I'm heading back to Arizona on April 8th. Prices in Southern Arizona seem to be pretty much around $4.50. But I've still got 3 weeks, so let's hope they keep falling.

[UncleDave]

I just heard on the local news that our politicians are thinking of suspending the 6% sales tax on gas to help. Wow, I'll save 60cebts every 10 gallons, thanks. What about all the other taxes? And why is there sales tax on gas? Wasn't that gas already taxed when the station bought it? I'll stop now before I go down the rabbit hole of how we are taxed out our asses.

[Redd44]

I just heard on the local news that our politicians are thinking of suspending the 6% sales tax on gas to help. Wow, I'll save 60cebts every 10 gallons, thanks. What about all the other taxes? And why is there sales tax on gas? Wasn't that gas already taxed when the station bought it? I'll stop now before I go down the rabbit hole of how we are taxed out our asses.

You feel like going to Boston and dumping some tea in the harbor? I'll join ya!

[WalterB]

News "readers" obviously don't spend much time actually gathering facts. Yesterday's news story talked about dropping gas prices. They stated, "...but prices have only dropped a couple of cents." So I went to Gas Buddy and looked.

Gas prices were down maybe 10¢ from the day before, and 20¢/gal from 2 or 3 days earlier. So I wrote them about it. I suggested that they use GasBuddy, instead of relying on inaccurate info from the web. Then I said, "You get awards for this? Not from me."

No response

[ErikB]

I just heard on the local news that our politicians are thinking of suspending the 6% sales tax on gas to help. Wow, I'll save 60cebts every 10 gallons, thanks. What about all the other taxes? And why is there sales tax on gas? Wasn't that gas already taxed when the station bought it? I'll stop now before I go down the rabbit hole of how we are taxed out our asses.

If my math is right, that means you are only paying $1 per gallon of gas. 10 gallons X $1/gallon = $10. $10 * 0.06 = $0.60 = 60 cents.

The last time I filled up, it was $4.30/gallon. 7 gallons, which is what I needed last time, comes out to $30.10. $30.10 X 0.06 = $1.81. 10 gallons would be $43.00, and the tax would be $43 X 0.06 = $2.58. Which, of course, is still nothing compared to having the actual price of the gas back down to where it was when President Trump was running things.

Gasoline is exempt from sales tax in Rhode Island. The excise tax is 33 cents per gallon, plus a 1 cent per gallon LUST fee. That caught my eye. Fortunately, the LUST fee isn't for people headed for lover's lane. It stands for Leaking Underground Storage Tank. There's a federal version tacked on as well, but only 0.001 cents per gallon.

[UncleDave]

I just heard on the local news that our politicians are thinking of suspending the 6% sales tax on gas to help. Wow, I'll save 60cebts every 10 gallons, thanks. What about all the other taxes? And why is there sales tax on gas? Wasn't that gas already taxed when the station bought it? I'll stop now before I go down the rabbit hole of how we are taxed out our asses.

If my math is right, that means you are only paying $1 per gallon of gas. 10 gallons X $1/gallon = $10. $10 * 0.06 = $0.60 = 60 cents.

The last time I filled up, it was $4.30/gallon. 7 gallons, which is what I needed last time, comes out to $30.10. $30.10 X 0.06 = $1.81. 10 gallons would be $43.00, and the tax would be $43 X 0.06 = $2.58. Which, of course, is still nothing compared to having the actual price of the gas back down to where it was when President Trump was running things.

Gasoline is exempt from sales tax in Rhode Island. The excise tax is 33 cents per gallon, plus a 1 cent per gallon LUST fee. That caught my eye. Fortunately, the LUST fee isn't for people headed for lover's lane. It stands for Leaking Underground Storage Tank. There's a federal version tacked on as well, but only 0.001 cents per gallon.

You sure are correct. I meant every 10 dollars not gallons. My point was 6 cents a gallon isn't much on a fill up.

[ErikB]

I just heard on the local news that our politicians are thinking of suspending the 6% sales tax on gas to help. Wow, I'll save 60cebts every 10 gallons, thanks. What about all the other taxes? And why is there sales tax on gas? Wasn't that gas already taxed when the station bought it? I'll stop now before I go down the rabbit hole of how we are taxed out our asses.

If my math is right, that means you are only paying $1 per gallon of gas. 10 gallons X $1/gallon = $10. $10 * 0.06 = $0.60 = 60 cents.

The last time I filled up, it was $4.30/gallon. 7 gallons, which is what I needed last time, comes out to $30.10. $30.10 X 0.06 = $1.81. 10 gallons would be $43.00, and the tax would be $43 X 0.06 = $2.58. Which, of course, is still nothing compared to having the actual price of the gas back down to where it was when President Trump was running things.

Gasoline is exempt from sales tax in Rhode Island. The excise tax is 33 cents per gallon, plus a 1 cent per gallon LUST fee. That caught my eye. Fortunately, the LUST fee isn't for people headed for lover's lane. It stands for Leaking Underground Storage Tank. There's a federal version tacked on as well, but only 0.001 cents per gallon.

You sure are correct. I meant every 10 dollars not gallons. My point was 6 cents a gallon isn't much on a fill up.

You said it again. , but I agree. 6 cents on a dollar isn't very much when it takes so many dollars to fill the tank.

[WalterB]

Yes, there are something like 4 different taxes on gas. There's city, there's state, there's federal and there's are additional taxes on diesel. So the gas you buy is actually taxed 7 or 8 times. The Feds, and probably the state, too, tax the people who drill and extract the oil. Then they tax the refineries that convert that oil to the gas you need. Then they tax the shipper who takes it to your station. Then, finally, they tax the owner of the station on every drop he sells. And this is all the same product.

It's like the taxes on everything. You get taxed on the money you earn (your income.) Then they tax you again on everything you buy (your outgo.) This is what they mean by, 'they've got you coming and going.'

Here's a link to a nice article, and a picture from that article. Be sure and read the paragraph below the picture. State taxes alone won't help a lot. But anything is a help. if you live in New Jersey, maybe you might consider moving to Texas

Click the picture to get a larger, more readable picture.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-gas-tax-rates-2021/
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[UncleDave]

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You said it again. , but I agree. 6 cents on a dollar isn't very much when it takes so many dollars to fill the tank.
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Oh my brain hurts

[UncleDave]

Yes, there are something like 4 different taxes on gas. There's city, there's state, there's federal and there's are additional taxes on diesel. So the gas you buy is actually taxed 7 or 8 times. The Feds, and probably the state, too, tax the people who drill and extract the oil. Then they tax the refineries that convert that oil to the gas you need. Then they tax the shipper who takes it to your station. Then, finally, they tax the owner of the station on every drop he sells. And this is all the same product.

It's like the taxes on everything. You get taxed on the money you earn (your income.) Then they tax you again on everything you buy (your outgo.) This is what they mean by, 'they've got you coming and going.'

Here's a link to a nice article, and a picture from that article. Be sure and read the paragraph below the picture. State taxes alone won't help a lot. But anything is a help. if you live in New Jersey, maybe you might consider moving to Texas

Click the picture to get a larger, more readable picture.

https://taxfoundation.org/state-gas-tax-rates-2021/
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Michigan #10 and that money is to go to road and bridges repair and our roads are some of the worst I've ever seen. Potholes everywhere and bridges falling apart. If course we always have road construction everywhere as well but the roads never seen to get better.

I actually miss the roads in Florida.

[WalterB]

Yep! And Florida #11. I'm trying to convince Vicky and Rokkerr to move to #44 (that would be here in Texas, )

[stickyvicky]

The only place to get gas for less than $2 now is at Taco Bell....

[WalterB]

[greggl]

Gas dropped a whole 10 cents in the last week. Was $4.09 today

[WalterB]

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[WalterB]

Here's something you may not know or think of - Your cars' idling time. I don't remember the numbers, but it was shown years ago that it takes as much energy to start your car as idling for 1 minute. And i would guess that has gone down, as automobile efficiency has gone way up over the years. So, let's say it's 30 seconds. Several articles I read say that today's car uses more fuel to start than idling for 10 seconds.

There are numerous issues. If you're stuck in traffic and it's obvious you won't muove for a bit, shut it off.
If you're in line at McDonalds, same thing. If the line is moving well, keep it running. If the line is slow, put it in park and shut it off.

If it's cold out, don't leave it idling outside to warm up. It will warm up much faster and use much less fuel than getting in and driving it. Putting the engine under load (driving) is what warms it up the fastest. Drive it slowly (no hot-dog starts, Walt) for the first few miles (1 or 2) or until you see the Temp gauge com up off of the low mark. Then crank up your heat and get on the freeway, lol. This doesn't apply to Rokkerr and Vicky. They don't even know what cold is, lol ( Sorry, folks, haha.)

And, remember folks. Just letting your car idle in the driveway is prime car theft time. Stop and think about it. If you review theft statistics, you will find that car theft while idling at home results in a number of thefts. And there's a good chance your insurance company won't cover that theft, either, because you 'facilitated' the theft. Also this - What do you think people were thinking who had their car stolen? "It's OK, no one will steal my car."

Remember, when you're just sitting there idling, you are getting 0 (that's zero) MPG. There are numerous articles out there about this. Just google "Car Idle vs restarting" for a bunch of articles. Yes, restarting puts a strain on some car parts (starter, for example.) But, 1) your car is already warm, so it will restart very quickly. And 2) today's cars are built so well that the strain is negligible unless you're doing this 50 times a day.

Also, idling actually drains your battery. The engine needs to run at least 2,000 rpm (or so) to charge the battery. So, extended idling will drain your battery. Newer cars, again, are better at this, and unless you drive something old and beat to hell, idling at an extended traffic light (or in line at Starbucks) will not drain it so bad it won't restart, not even close. It's an 'over time' thing.

So, want to be fuel/energy efficient? Turn off that engine if you're just sitting there. Even in cold weather. Shut it off. Yes, you will lose that heat. But that will take several minutes. So, when you start feeling cold, restart it. run until you're warm again, then shut it back off. Your engine takes a long time to cool off. So, restarting after 5 minutes will have no effect on the heat. You'll feel the heat immediately.

Happy (and safe) motoring.
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[stickyvicky]

OMG that meme is hilarious and true!

[ErikB]

This guy does a lot of home-brew technology stuff on his YouTube channel. He decided to test 4 different types of vehicles from varying model years and see how much they used up with 2 hours of idle time. In his opinion, not very much, although he did mention environmental concerns and "money is money".

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Assuming my car (2009 Toyota Yaris, either 1.3 or 1.5 liter, which is 1300 or 1500 cc) is in the same general category as his 2012 Mazda 3 (2000 cc engine), I would use about 25 cents in gas at the price I last paid ($4.30/gallon) if I needed to idle for 20 minutes. I think the quarter is worth spending just to save the wear-and-tear on the engine with multiple starts and shutdowns.

Showing my work:
My engine is at most 1.5 liters (1500 cc) according to an internet search for available engines for a Toyota Yaris.
The 2012 Mazda 3 available in the U.S. starts at 2000 cc (1999 cc, so I rounded up 1 cc) and goes up from there.
So, 1500/2000 = 0.75. Also, 20 minutes is 1/3 of an hour, and is 1/6 of 2 hours.
0.75 * 0.437 / 6 = 0.059125 gallons.
0.059125 * $4.30 = $0.254237, or about a quarter.

[stickyvicky]

OMG it just cost us about a $100 to fill up the Van.....

[UncleDave]

OMG it just cost us about a $100 to fill up the Van.....

Costco I got gas for $3.98 the other day. Most other places are $4.10 to 4.25.

Complete scam by the oil companies and speculators