THE OFFICIAL VNA EXERCIZE & FITNESS DEPARTMENT...

[lance_s]

That sounds wonderful! How did you do?

This is a friendly run. No chips or official timekeeping. My pace today was fairly sedentary - 36 mins, slow even by my standards.

You're off on your trip tomorrow - have a great holiday.

[stickyvicky]

Nothing wrong with that there are lots of benefits to running slow Google it and you will see!

[lance_s]

Nothing wrong with that there are lots of benefits to running slow Google it and you will see!

Oh yes, slow running has to be part of any running regime. Slow runs, HIIT runs, strides, fartleks, hill running, they're all part of the mix. No one is going to set a personal best with every run.

[rokkerr]

[stickyvicky]

So here is the over-under on my hamstring and glute situation! It's a wonder I was able to keep on doing what I was doing at all! Including walking! What the fuck! Almost complete "avulsion" . Stacie and the other medical people here can say what that means! It's on both sides, they just did the detailed MRI on one side to save me money, since I'm paying everything cash.

[Stacie]

So here is the over-under on my hamstring and glute situation! It's a wonder I was able to keep on doing what I was doing at all! Including walking! What the fuck! Almost complete "avulsion" . Stacie and the other medical people here can say what that means! It's on both sides, they just did the detailed MRI on one side to save me money, since I'm paying everything cash.

Yikes! Thats not a common injury and to have it bilateral?? Now you have options to explore, Florida should have good sports medicine docs.. have they talked about what your plan of treatment is? I can't believe you've just been exercising along not knowing anything!! lol damn

[stickyvicky]

Well I was in terrible pain, so I stopped running 2 years ago, and did other stuff instead, like swimming, then I got a rower and that was great for a while but then that got too painful .... I was going to massage specialists, then tried acupuncture, tried all kinds of things, got x-rays of my back taken, ended up buying a $2,100 package at the chiropractor who promised me that if I came three times a week, after a month at the most, I would be pain free. Well after 2 months of three times a week it was still worse. They were telling me that I needed to stretch my hamstrings, so I was doing all kinds of exercises like deadlifts and good mornings all which was making it worse, and they also told me I had to roll my hamstrings with the foam roller which I did even though it hurt like hell. After two months was up they said I guess we were wrong, we dont know what is wrong with you, you need to see a sports medicine professional. They referred me and hat guy did ultrasounds and MRI.

So everything I was doing for the past two years was wrong and making it worse bit by bit.

It all started 2 years ago with Nordic curls, I think I felt them pop, but figured it would go away on its own. I do have a high pain threshold.

Anyway on Tuesday at 8:00 a.m. my new sports medicine doctor is doing something called PRP and M-fat injections. They said I need to stay still for 4 days after and then I can start walking after that. I will need 10 to 12 physical therapy sessions also to learn how to exercise it without damaging it again and build up strength. I talked him down for 6000 to 5000. So get this, the surgery that would probably cost $60,000 the insurance would cover and I would have at least 6 months of downtime, but doing it this way which is less invasive and only cost $5,000 the insurance will not cover. Logical right? Anyway if this doesn't work I will have to get surgery.

[Stacie]

Well I was in terrible pain, so I stopped running 2 years ago, and did other stuff instead, like swimming, then I got a rower and that was great for a while but then that got too painful .... I was going to massage specialists, then tried acupuncture, tried all kinds of things, got x-rays of my back taken, ended up buying a $2,100 package at the chiropractor who promised me that if I came three times a week, after a month at the most, I would be pain free. Well after 2 months of three times a week it was still worse. They were telling me that I needed to stretch my hamstrings, so I was doing all kinds of exercises like deadlifts and good mornings all which was making it worse, and they also told me I had to roll my hamstrings with the foam roller which I did even though it hurt like hell. After two months was up they said I guess we were wrong, we dont know what is wrong with you, you need to see a sports medicine professional. They referred me and hat guy did ultrasounds and MRI.

So everything I was doing for the past two years was wrong and making it worse bit by bit.

It all started 2 years ago with Nordic curls, I think I felt them pop, but figured it would go away on its own. I do have a high pain threshold.

Anyway on Tuesday at 8:00 a.m. my new sports medicine doctor is doing something called PRP and M-fat injections. They said I need to stay still for 4 days after and then I can start walking after that. I will need 10 to 12 physical therapy sessions also to learn how to exercise it without damaging it again and build up strength. I talked him down for 6000 to 5000. So get this, the surgery that would probably cost $60,000 the insurance would cover and I would have at least 6 months of downtime, but doing it this way which is less invasive and only cost $5,000 the insurance will not cover. Logical right? Anyway if this doesn't work I will have to get surgery.

I'm familiar with PRP, we use it in conjunction with surgery. I've never been a big fan of chiropractors but I know some people swear by them, I just prefer PT. Definitely sounds like over time you kept aggravating the injury! Starting with the least invasive therapy is smart and I really hope this helps, its a good option and just think, you get to be waited on and lazy for 4 days! LOL Seriously though, being you're in such good shape should help in your recovery process too. I just cant believe you've just been trudging along OUCH!!

[stickyvicky]

In the beginning it was sharp shooting pain, down the back of my legs, like sciatica, from the glutes to the back of the knees, or sometimes all the way down to the ankles. Then over time the pain got shorter and shorter distance wise until it was just a burning hole on each side of my glutes, the past month it has turned into a dull throbbing ache. Apparently there's a whole bunch of scar tissue. It has evolved.

The titty fucking in tonight's camhow ended up hurting me. I'll have to be more careful!

Take it from me, if something like this ever happens to you, don't guess or assume stuff! Get an MRI!

[WalterB]

With all due respect to Vicky, your body is really nothing to mess with. (Oh, come on. You guys would ALL love to mess with Vicky's body. ) I'm guessing we're all the same - we 'don't like doctors' - meaning we see no need to go see them for our little aches and pains. But when something repeats or continues without stopping. we need to get to the doctor. I know I seldom went. Us guys are toughies. "Awww, I ain't goin' to no doctor. It's only a broken leg," LOL.

I think I've only been in the hospital twice. Once I was busy being born, and once when I broke my collarbone wrecking my motorcycle. (Riding and drinking. Extremely stupid. Don't do that.)

I finally reached a point where I started going. I have Veteran's Benefits (VA), so they give me a lab work-up and a doctor visit every 6 months. Then, if I bring up things to the dr. he'll make me an appointment with the appropriate office.

I've never exercised much or run (Well, there was that bullet I outran when I was about 25, lol. But that's another story, haha.) but Vicky's experience shows us what can happen, even if we DO pay attention.

I know how Vicky exercises, and it's kind of intense. She could outdo me in a heartbeat. even if I were her age, lol.

[lance_s]

In the beginning it was sharp shooting pain, down the back of my legs, like sciatica, from the glutes to the back of the knees, or sometimes all the way down to the ankles. Then over time the pain got shorter and shorter distance wise until it was just a burning hole on each side of my glutes, the past month it has turned into a dull throbbing ache. Apparently there's a whole bunch of scar tissue. It has evolved.

The titty fucking in tonight's camhow ended up hurting me. I'll have to be more careful!

Take it from me, if something like this ever happens to you, don't guess or assume stuff! Get an MRI!

Geez Vicky, I had no idea what you have been going through. I hope you are able to get everything under control.

I think my g/f has done something similar to her knee. Played through the pain in her knee till now she needs a knee brace and hot water bottles. She went for massage therapy, and there was immediate short term relief, but nothing lasting. Xray did not find anything significant. No MRI yet.

I agree with Stacie's opinion that chiropractic services are probably not a viable long term solution.

Hope you're better soon, lass.

[ErikB]

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[stickyvicky]

Lol @Erik.

Well I did my procedures this morning, the first part was him taking out a bunch of blood and spinning it down to concentrated platelets, then the next part was removing fat from my glutes, which wasnt a picnic, but I've endured worse. It was basically just like liposuction. That wasn't all that painful and I was thinking okay this is not so bad.. but then when he started injecting the mixture of the PRP and the fat his needles got super close to the tears and it was 90 minutes of intense pain gripping the bed so I wouldn't hit the ceiling! I think my fingerprints are permanently ingrained on the table . He told me that most of the men and athletes usually cry/scream/sob at this time lol (as he was injecting the mixture directly into the tears, all 4 of them!)

He said I did really well. He was really pleased with everything at the end ie. the quality of my plasma and the quality of the fat) we even finished a little early. He said he hopes the procedure he had this afternoon goes as well! He feels good about the outcome he said possibly I should do a second round of it in six or eight weeks during my physical therapy, but just the PRP next time not the fat mixture.

I can go back to taking all of my regular vitamins and supplements starting tomorrow which I have really missed for the last week! I can't live without my Ginger and turmeric and tart cherry!

He thinks I will have 100% recovery, 3 months of PT and by 6 months be back to running and rowing and doing everything that I want!

[stickyvicky]

fyi here are pics of the 4 tears I had. Not my MRI scans, just pictures to clarify what muscles they are. I had a ton of scar tissue too, which he broke up. Nice bonus.

These are the hamstrings.

This is the gluteus medius. I guess the hamstrings tore first, then I continued to use them so the gluteus medius got overworked till they tore as well. I had no idea the damage I was doing. I kept telling myself, don't be a pussy! You are just lazy! Workout anyway. What an idiot I am! In my defense though I was following the instructions of people who were supposed to be experts and were supposed to know!

[lance_s]

Lol @Erik.
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Well I did my procedures this morning, the first part was him taking out a bunch of blood and spinning it down to concentrated platelets, then the next part was removing fat from my glutes, which wasnt a picnic, but I've endured worse. It was basically just like liposuction. That wasn't all that painful and I was thinking okay this is not so bad.. but then when he started injecting the mixture of the PRP and the fat his needles got super close to the tears and it was 90 minutes of intense pain gripping the bed so I wouldn't hit the ceiling! I think my fingerprints are permanently ingrained on the table . He told me that most of the men and athletes usually cry/scream/sob at this time lol (as he was injecting the mixture directly into the tears, all 4 of them!)

He said I did really well. He was really pleased with everything at the end ie. the quality of my plasma and the quality of the fat) we even finished a little early. He said he hopes the procedure he had this afternoon goes as well! He feels good about the outcome he said possibly I should do a second round of it in six or eight weeks during my physical therapy, but just the PRP next time not the fat mixture.

I can go back to taking all of my regular vitamins and supplements starting tomorrow which I have really missed for the last week! I can't live without my Ginger and turmeric and tart cherry!

He thinks I will have 100% recovery, 3 months of PT and by 6 months be back to running and rowing and doing everything that I want!

Sounds worse than being in the Spanish inquisition. You're a trooper.

Grand about the last line - 100% recovery. Fingers crossed for you.

[stickyvicky]

Taking joy in small things! I'm able to roll over in bed now! I'm also walking a little better already. It's just hard getting in or out of bed or getting into or out of a chair or the toilet LOL no way in hell I could bend over to pick anything up if I drop it, or tie my shoe or anything like that.

I feel good though, I think I will heal faster than most because I was already in pretty good shape for my age, maybe that's just my ego talking I don't know, they should know what they're talking about since they deal with athletes and football players all the time....

[WalterB]

Nahhh, it's not your ego. It's you.

Thanks for helping me to pass out from just READING all that (Tough guy up front, big sissy inside, )

Sure glad to hear all of that is progressing normally.

You gonna have to wrap them gams up in LA?

[stickyvicky]

I get to take the bandages off tomorrow! And he said if the skin has closed nicely (there are a lot of holes all over my butt!) if I can get into the hot tub by saturday! I will be looking forward to that!

[rokkerr]

[lance_s]

Good one. I'll have to share this with my son's g/f, who has just taken up Pilates.