2257 Battle rages on...

[stickyvicky]

This is and will take years and years.....
http://business.avn.com/articles/36488. ... op_story_1
just thought I'd post it in case anyone has been following this.....

[WalterB]

Would it be right to say, "This, too, shall pass?" Meaning, I think the day will come when all of todays controversies will become accepted fact. If you look back 40 years, there were many issues that today are common. Things like homosexuality, racism and sexual mores will become more and more ingrained into the human psyche and we will take all of these issues as the norm.

Of course, there will be a whole boatload of other issues. There'll always be issues of some sort. And, it is, of course, due to all the folks standing up and fighting these issues that will eventually get them accepted. Young kids are much more open to change than us'n old farts. The kids see what is going on with their parents. But they go out, meet friends, and "want to find out." So, they will be much more accepting of current issues as they grow up.

[porndemon69]

Want they use there damn precious money for something useful like a cure for cancer instead of trying to pass these stupid ass laws about regulating porn or whatever there trying to pass. There is to many real problems in this world the damn government needs to be focused on instead of the porn industry. Knowing they all (government officials) got there secret stash of porn in there goddamn closet sneaking around getting blowjobs in back alleys and bathroom stalls. Just come out and adment it porn is great you know and you fuckers(government officials) definitly know it.

Sorry for my language everybody not doing well just heard the news on Stephanie Swift and kind of bummed out right now.

[WalterB]

You're right, PD. Congress wastes it's time trying to regulate us while they are as sleazy as anyone, with their graft and payoffs and sneaking around behind peoples backs. Pretty much a double standard. "Do as I say, not as I do."

[stickyvicky]

Want they use there damn precious money for something useful like a cure for cancer instead of trying to pass these stupid ass laws about regulating porn or whatever there trying to pass. There is to many real problems in this world the damn government needs to be focused on instead of the porn industry. Knowing they all (government officials) got there secret stash of porn in there goddamn closet sneaking around getting blowjobs in back alleys and bathroom stalls. Just come out and adment it porn is great you know and you fuckers(government officials) definitly know it.

WHAT HE SAID! With all the money spent in court battling over 2257, the salaries of inspectors, all the administration costs involved in this regulation, they have not turned up a single underage porn actress. NOT ONE! It's just a collossal waste of time and money. Everyone should just realize the real intent of the regulation, it has nothing to do with child porn, it is just designed to make our lives miserable and make more girls and websites quit.

Sorry for my language everybody not doing well just heard the news on Stephanie Swift and kind of bummed out right now

Stephanie is going to be fine Demon, she is young and strong. She looked great when I saw her!

[porndemon69]

Thanks Vicky I am just a huge Stephanie Swift fan and I have lost two of my aunts to breast cancer. I just wish they would really put forth the effort and time and money on this disease as they do fighting the porn industry.

[stickyvicky]

So how did the governments ridiculous mountains of paperwork called law 2257 that they force us to do help in this case? 2257 is supposedly designed to keep minors out of porn? Didn't help in this case!

http://www.xbiz.com/news/132741

http://business.avn.com/articles/legal/ ... 32153.html

Not that I have any sympathy for reality kings, and I don't even think you should shoot anyone under 21 personally, but if this girl had all these fake ID's and misrepresented herself then how can they be to blame?

Anyway all I'm trying to convey once again is that this ridiculous law 2257 is completely useless as this instance proves beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[h0rnytoad1]

Well i never done it but i heard getting a fake ID is easy in college.

However, it is the responsability of the company to make sure she is of legal age. So blame RK for their lazyness.

if they din't know that, they do now.

[stickyvicky]

Apparnetly she had a birth certificate and a drivers license. What more do you want them to do?

[Anthony_JK]

This sure looks more like she played them, rather than the other way around.

15 year old girls desperate to get into porn and make that money will do that sometimes.

No love for Reality Kings, still...they should have verified her before they shot her.


Anthony

[stickyvicky]

How would you verify someone?

[h0rnytoad1]

Apparnetly she had a birth certificate and a drivers license. What more do you want them to do?

well its kinda obvious if it's written in crayon. LOL

or they could count the rings around the trunk, but that only works for trees,
so count the ring piercings around her thingamajiger ?

Do a Google on "fake birth certificate" and a whole bunch of sites appear.

but how to check if its real ?

"A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar's signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth." Birth certificate, wikipedia

that's one way.

You can check the validity of the certificate with the city registrar where she was born, or one of the 6000 agencies across usa who issue those certificates.

point is, somebody at RK din't do their job. yes i'm looking at you lawyers.

[stickyvicky]

So when she shows up Saturday morning for the shoot you are supposed to start contacting government agencies? I don't think so, even if it was a monday morning, that's not possible. They don't even do makeup, the girl has to do her own before she gets there. No you get there, sign your releases, give them your id so they can make photocopies, fill out the 2257 forms and do your shoot. They can't spend hours "verifying someone". We are not lawyers, how could we be expected to know all that or do all tht? They probably do 5 scenes per day in a rented $1000 a day location. I shoot with other girls all the time, I wouldn't know the difference between an Arkansas real drivers license and a fake one. I get the 2 pieces of ID and if everything looks reasonable to me we shoot.

[h0rnytoad1]

if its a spur of the moment thing, i guess it can be done that way but birth certificate fraud happens to the best of them .

in the case of a scheduled video/photoshoot , procedures agains't Birth certificate fraud should be applied.

how about making 1st contact some time before shooting, get their real name and check with the registrar. be safe. it is a business and get info 1st and if it checks out, schedule a meeting.

Or it just makes for some publicity for the movie, and a good lawyer will get you out of trouble.

[WalterB]

You are right, Vicky. Too many times the government tries to prosecute the "victims," in this case Reality Kings. You are right, how far is someone supposed to go to "check out" their performers.

If the performer had a zerox copy of a birth certificate, that might be reason for the company to say no. But, it is easily possible to get a piece of paper with all of the "proper" seals, signatures, etc. Should they have to call the Nevada State Registrar to see if this is, in fact a valid piece of paper? I think they take reasonable precautions by requiring the presentation of "valid" documents. If the person uses fradulent documents, they are the ones who should be prosecuted.

I think the mother is just trying to make a buck.

[stickyvicky]

http://www.xbiz.com/news/134997
Weiner is in violation of 2257 laws! hahahahaha... maybe this will make them pay attention to how ridiculous it is.

[stickyvicky]

How many years has this been battled in the courts now?
http://www.xbiz.com/news/163598

[wshandcock]

I think it will never end as long as a majority of Americans think that tits cock and ass are more dangerous to to American youth and people in general than a loaded AK -47

[h0rnytoad1]

the way i see it is, its free speech vs protecting young innocent eyes.
the government is trying to make it safer since we all know there are terrible things going on in the industry and the greater good is to make sure no kids get thrown in that dark underworld.

But there is also a fine line between censorship and free speech, what is ok to some is not ok to others. In the grand scheme of things, isn't it better to safeguard those sensibilities than to keep provoking them?

So the 2257 rules are needed. but i understand that there are some who feel censored by it.

As for the point you bring up Hancock, if the gun people don't care about children, that's their problem. if the gun owners would get past the knee-jerk reaction of "you're censoring my free use of guns" and start to think how guns affects others, it would make for better understanding.

i think having free speech is the most important, however it does come with its part of responsibility towards children and the innocent. it is up to each of us to know what is safe to say/show and not safe to say/show around children.

Sometimes you need some guidelines, and i think that's what the 2257 is supposed to be about. i know it's what the law is about, in theory.

(Personally i just make sure the nipples are covered, but that's mostly cuz Canada is cold, lol)

[stickyvicky]

When I went to XBiz I went to a Seminar put on by http://www.asacp.org/ It's an organization made by porn people to just protect children, they have hotlines and all sorts of things. Porn producers pay money to be part of it. They survive on donations only. This has been around far longer than the governments 2257 rule. The 2257 regulations have not found a single porn producer using a person under 18 EVER. It does absolutely nothing to protect anyone.

At the seminar I asked a question. Why is it ok for children to watch full on spreads and pink over at MFC? (myfreecams.com) Is it because their servers are in some country where they don't have the same child protection rules as we do? You don't even have to enter an email address or press a button saying "ENTER - I AM OVER 18".

You will be shocked at the answer. He said, No it's fine even if the servers are here. They are not breaking any laws. Apparently it's completely legal for children to watch full on hardcore sex. There is not a law against it here in the USA. That's why all the tube site and other free porn sites are not breaking any laws and the majority of their viewership is under 18. The stats are 40% under 18 are watching it, and don't have credit cards anyway so can't buy porn. That's why their BS line to us (the ones they steal the porn from) of "you should be happy we are stealing your porn, look how many people are watching it, you are getting free advertising", is just so messed up.

Anyway the representative explained to me that that government doesn't want children IN PORN, but they don't care at all if they WATCH PORN. He said there has never been a case of a porn producer making child pornography EVER in the history of the porn business, except when Traci Lords shot a scene with a fake ID. In her case, even if they had the 2257 law in place back then, it would have made no difference. The ID looked real, she could easily of been 18 not 17, they made photocopies of her ID for the files, did the model release, etc... how would it have been any different. Right now if someone comes with a fake drivers license and fake social security card, they would still get hired, 2257 does nothing.

It makes no sense whatsoever to me. If the government really gave a crap about kids at all, they would make a rule that no "pink" would be exposed anywhere on any website except in the members area. That would protect children, make parents happy, and stop all the stealing, all in one felled swoop. It's such a simple solution to to many problems, but will they do it? No, they fuck around with a useless law for 10 years that puts huge burdens on porn producers, costs a ton of money, and does not have a single benefit. People are going through surprise inspections, and paying fines and for having a part of a 2257 file mixed up, a file on a 36 year old woman who does not remotely look like she could be under 18, but a t not crossed or an i not dotted in that file and you are in big trouble.

I call bullshit.