Court of Appeals says LA CAN'T enforce condom use in PORN

[Don1464UK]

Read the story here

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/06/ ... 3816.shtml

Why does the government have to get involved? The adult industry it seems to me has done quite well regulating itself the last decade or so.

What do you guys think?

Discuss!

[st1fler]

no glove no love!!!

but not in porn lol

[John_fromNY]

no glove no love!!!

but not in porn lol

Really? See Glove try to wipe out Love...



... as the Beatles take back Pepperland.

[WalterB]

First off, so much for the privacy of Boo D. Licious' personal identity. They just blasted her name all over the internet.

Personally, whether I like them or not, in todays world, it would seem like condoms should be a necessity to, very simply, protect the health and safety of the performers. I guess stringent testing requirements might preclude that, but, given the frequency of sexual contact, how can you be sure you don't pick up something between tests? I think Vicky talked once about the incubation period, and I will readily admit my lack of knowledge, but it still seems like it would be able to pass something on between tests.

On the other hand, the industry does seem to try to do a good job policing itself. Problem is, there will always be the renegades whose thoughts are, "We dont need no stinkin' rules." While nothing will totally stop the non-use of condoms, it seems like it would cut down on the renegades, especially after a couple or three get sentenced. I mean, even if the chance is 1 in 100, do you want to be that one? Is a little hot sex really worth your life?

I would think the ladies would be almost universal in this, while the guys might be less so (we all hate the damn things, right, guys?) I mean, for example, I would kill for a romp with Darla Crane, and would really hate to wear one. But, if the choice were wear one or stay home? I'd put on the old raincoat.

[stickyvicky]

Like everything, it's all about money. Guys don't rent or buy porn with condoms in it, or at least not nearly as much. It ruins the fantasy for them, or so I'm told. It's supposed to be spur of the moment, impulsive sex with your babysitter or secretary right? Not planned out, not, yes honey i remembered the condoms. I personally don't like watching porn with condoms, even though some of them are see through, light pink ones, I just think it's unattractive, that little roll at the bottom, it's not supposed to be there... it does bring reality into the equation.

The problem is, if they force the American industry to go condom only, then all the business will go to the Europeans and Brazilians and everywhere else they make condomless porn. They will kill the business here, but supply will still rise up to meet demand. Plus condoms break and they hurt. A normal couple fucks for 7 minutes before ejaculation. A porn couple making a movie might fuck for an hour or two or even three to get the positions the director wants. The condom dries out, it causes redness, swelling, chafing, it's horrible. You probably go through 5 of them during the scene. And don't even talk about condoms for anal it's worse. As a performer, I hated them. The safest way is for everyone to have 2 week testing, not 4 week testing. But again it's a money issue, no one wants to pay for that. When I was shooting for commercial studios I insisted on fresh tests, (< 14 days) it was my rule, so they had to hire guys with fresh tests, or the guy they wanted would go get retested. I never had anyone question me on it, they all complied willingly.

Do you know, they even can test on the spot now. The production company can just use swabs inside the cheek and test for hiv and have results in 5 min. That would be the 100% safest way. Even better than a 2 week old test. But again, it's the money and responsibility part of it.

[John_fromNY]

Like everything, it's all about money. Guys don't rent or buy porn with condoms in it, or at least not nearly as much. It ruins the fantasy for them, or so I'm told....

If it's Stormy Daniels or Kirsten Price or Alektra Blue or Jessica Drake over at Wicked. I get into these ladies not the guy wearing the prophylactics. It's more about seeing the enjoyment that Stormy, Kirsten, Alektra or Jessica have on their faces. Remember, they have to do all the work here. All the guy does is sit back and relax.

If Randy Spears or Evan Stone or Julian Rios or Van Damage or Scott Styles is wearing the condom. Who cares? It doesn't matter. I'm watching the sexy Stormy, the hot Kirsten Price, the lovely Alekra Blue, and the gorgeous Jessica Drake and their reactions to these guys giving them the big hard one.



Over at Wicked, they do have the guys take the condoms off for the blowjob and the cumshot scenes. So what are they trying to protect the girl from? The vaginal penetration? The anal penetration? I say nonsense. As the girl can get a positive std test from doing oral just as easily as vaginal or anal.

....It's supposed to be spur of the moment, impulsive sex with your babysitter or secretary right? Not planned out, not, yes honey i remembered the condoms. I personally don't like watching porn with condoms, even though some of them are see through, light pink ones, I just think it's unattractive, that little roll at the bottom, it's not supposed to be there... it does bring reality into the equation.

The problem is, if they force the American industry to go condom only, then all the business will go to the Europeans and Brazilians and everywhere else they make condomless porn. They will kill the business here, but supply will still rise up to meet demand. Plus condoms break and they hurt. A normal couple fucks for 7 minutes before ejaculation. A porn couple making a movie might fuck for an hour or two or even three to get the positions the director wants. The condom dries out, it causes redness, swelling, chafing, it's horrible. You probably go through 5 of them during the scene. And don't even talk about condoms for anal it's worse. As a performer, I hated them. The safest way is for everyone to have 2 week testing, not 4 week testing. But again it's a money issue, no one wants to pay for that. When I was shooting for commercial studios I insisted on fresh tests, (< 14 days) it was my rule, so they had to hire guys with fresh tests, or the guy they wanted would go get retested. I never had anyone question me on it, they all complied willingly.

Do you know, they even can test on the spot now. The production company can just use swabs inside the cheek and test for hiv and have results in 5 min. That would be the 100% safest way. Even better than a 2 week old test. But again, it's the money and responsibility part of it.

[stickyvicky]

http://www.xbiz.com/news/136048
I don't think the porn producers will move, they are set in their ways, they have expensive homes and offices and warehouses... they may shoot both, but hire independent contractors in florida or other states to shoot their non condom scenes for them, ship the footage back to LA, and the editing and boxcover making and all other aspects of the business will remain the same. That's my 2 cents what do you think?

[WalterB]

"Unrealistic" at a minimum. Why are they picking on porn, which already has a minimal problem with Aids due to the procedures all ready in place? Why don't they mandate mandatory use by kids and young adults and all single people to cut down on unwed mothers? Why not mandate mandatory useage by the homosexual community and the low income to stop the spread of Aids? Why not mandate mandatory use of condoms in congress to eliminate the procreation of any more stupid politicians?

[h0rnytoad1]

without taking sides, they must think its gonna catch on if they put it in the movies ?

like a trend or something, lol

i think its a political thing, they must think condom usage in porn will influence kids to use them in real life.

when you buy a movie, you never hear about the safe practices that go on behind the scenes, the testing, the checking stuff like that.

But condoms, you can see them in the movie. They're just trying to influence the viewers to be more responsible to stop spreading STDs among the population. Same thing in school.

Nothing wrong with wanting people to be safer and responsible.

problem is its forcing already responsible viewers to not have the choice when watching the movie, all they will have for choice is "with" condom. that's the real problem.

allot of movies i've seen have condoms. more don't have them. its really up to the director and producers if they want to send a message, whatever it may be.

be safe wear condoms. or be responsible and get tested.

truth is, STD testing should be a once a year thing atleast, like a pap smear or that butt thing the doctor does to guys.

that alone would get ppl to become more responsible.

[Anthony_JK]

I've been doing update posts on all this drama over at the Blog of Pro-Porn Activism lately...if you want, you can browse there.

Basically, this is only one vector of attack for AHF and the condom mandate forces that was denied to them by the courts (pending a final appeal to the California Supreme Court).

The main level of attack, though, is the attempt by CalOSHA to impose workplace regulations which would force classification of porn performers there as "employees" rather than "independent contractors", which would then be used to enforce the tighter regulations mandating condoms and other repressive forms of "barrier protection" on porn shoots.

On that note, there is legislation pending in the California Assembly that would give the pro-condom mandate forces a major weapon by allowing the imposition of huge fines for those companies that "deliberately mislead" on the status of their workers as "independent contractors", without the usual appeal process. I have a post now up at BPPA detailing that threat (though Mark Kernes over at AVN.com and Michael Whiteacre (more famous for his upcoming expose doc of Shelley "Allow Me To Make A Total Ass Of Myself At Cambridge" Lubben) has been on the case far better than I ever could be).

I'm pretty sure that if this comes to pass, plenty of producers will leave Cali....but with Vegas and Florida available and plenty of potential other hot spots available, I don't see as much a threat to porn's bottom line from this..at least, not as much as from piracy and government censorship. That's not to say, though, that they shouldn't fight this tooth and nail.


Anthony

[Anthony_JK]

without taking sides, they must think its gonna catch on if they put it in the movies ?

like a trend or something, lol

i think its a political thing, they must think condom usage in porn will influence kids to use them in real life.

when you buy a movie, you never hear about the safe practices that go on behind the scenes, the testing, the checking stuff like that.

But condoms, you can see them in the movie. They're just trying to influence the viewers to be more responsible to stop spreading STDs among the population. Same thing in school.

Nothing wrong with wanting people to be safer and responsible.

problem is its forcing already responsible viewers to not have the choice when watching the movie, all they will have for choice is "with" condom. that's the real problem.

allot of movies i've seen have condoms. more don't have them. its really up to the director and producers if they want to send a message, whatever it may be.

be safe wear condoms. or be responsible and get tested.

truth is, STD testing should be a once a year thing atleast, like a pap smear or that butt thing the doctor does to guys.

that alone would get ppl to become more responsible.

Ahhh, HT??

The standard for STI testing in porn is a lot more stringent than once a year.

Try more like once a MONTH.

And some performers even go further than that, requiring a clean test after TWO WEEKS, or even TWO DAYS.

Actually, it is that testing procedure that AHF and the condom mandate people want to obliterate, because they insist that mandating condoms would provide better protection to the point that testing would be obsolete. Indeed, they cite the regimen in the gay porn industry, where condom use is the standard and performers are ASSUMED to be STI- and HIV-positive.

Problem is, because Cali law does not allow workers to be inquired about their HIV status for fear of discrimination, there would be no way for performers to verify whether the person they are shooting with is STI+ or not...whether with or without a condom or other means of barrier protection.That's why there is such a freakout with performers over the condom mandate. Well, that, and the fact that the public fundamentally rejects non-bareback sex like two like poles of magnets. Every agency that has tried condom only in the straight adult industry has lost tons of $$$, with minor exceptions.

Oh..and need I remind y'all that the last person to claim HIV+ from porn got infected in his own terms on a shoot where condoms were used?? He claims that the other performer took off the condom and blew off on his ass, and the semen went into his rectum, thusly infecting him. But, only condoms can prevent infection...not adequate testing. Riiiight.


Anthony

[h0rnytoad1]

i was talking about how porn influences kids, the bigger picture, think teens like to do stuff by coincidence? think they know to get tested every month?

once a year is not for industry obviously, but for the population in general. those tests aren't done until people ask for them, yet the STI's get passed around more and more.

i'm not on board with condoms in movies, but you gotta admit, outside of porn, there's a whole world watching it and imitating what they see on tv.

i think its just all gonna boil down to a simple screen message when the movie starts like that fbi warning, ppl skip over that and the whole thing will pass unknown of the general population.

but what do i know, i don't do porn, i just watch it.

[John_fromNY]

i was talking about how porn influences kids, the bigger picture, think teens like to do stuff by coincidence? think they know to get tested every month?

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What utter nonsense!!

Porn influences kids?? -- what the f*ck are you talking about??

Teens may have access to free porn --- Freeones, tube sites, getting their hands and viewing their older brother's Hustler and Penthouse, every now and then, etc.

But the child's parents should be restricting all types of access to these sites in the first place. Well any responsible parent would be. No under age viewing should be allowed at all.

You also think that most teenagers are so very promiscuous....

[Based on what he saw Lex Steele do to Shyla Stylez in that free tube site video.]

.... wearing or not wearing condoms. A 15 year old teenage guy now possessed with sex. He's the "new" Johnny Holmes!!

Fucking one junior high school girl after another, after another, after another, after another. Hey, he's moved up to the big leagues now; fucking junior and senior chicks in the high school too. Infecting every girl he comes in contact with -- "My dick hurts," he tells the school nurse, "I think I may have syphilis."

That's also total bullshit!!

Remember -- Under 18. Don't even think about getting in here. And with what? Your mummie's credit card!!

[h0rnytoad1]

But the child's parents should be restricting all types of access to these sites in the first place.

Nonsense my ass. kids are curious, and by kids i mean teens. They'll either learn by watching other kids make-out and have parties or on the street or the internet.

right, how many parents you know actually "control" their teens? i mean for real. lol

You seem to be living in a fantasy world where everybody "should" do this or "should" do that.

monkey see monkey do John, monkey see monkey do.

The way i see it, have a condom in your pocket, know when to use it.

[John_fromNY]

But the child's parents should be restricting all types of access to these sites in the first place.

Nonsense my ass. kids are curious, and by kids i mean teens. They'll either learn by watching other kids make-out and have parties or on the street or the internet.

right, how many parents you know actually "control" their teens? i mean for real. lol

You seem to be living in a fantasy world where everybody "should" do this or "should" do that.

monkey see monkey do John, monkey see monkey do.

The way i see it, have a condom in your pocket, know when to use it.

This post of yours has been reported.

I see that you are rude and insulting, once again HT.

No one can state a comment contrary to the way you're thinking.

You think you rule this board. That you are above everyone here. Well you're not.

Get over it man.

I'm glad I've stayed away. And I will stay away, until you're long gone.

[h0rnytoad1]

i wonder why. isn't it freedom of speech here ?

[h0rnytoad1]

I see that you are rude and insulting, once again HT.

No one can state a comment contrary to the way you're thinking.

You think you rule this board. That you are above everyone here. Well you're not.

Get over it man.

I'm glad I've stayed away. And I will stay away, until you're long gone.

where's the rudeness in that post buddy?

and where does it say you have to think like me?

i was actually thinking the same thing about your post above mine.

lol

Well too bad we can't have a normal discussion. Frankly i don't care about this topic like you seem to, i'm just voicing my opinion.

its still allowed in here, isn't it John?

[John_fromNY]

I see that you are rude and insulting, once again HT.

No one can state a comment contrary to the way you're thinking.

You think you rule this board. That you are above everyone here. Well you're not.

Get over it man.

I'm glad I've stayed away. And I will stay away, until you're long gone.

where's the rudeness in that post buddy?

and where does it say you have to think like me?

i was actually thinking the same thing about your post above mine.

lol

Well too bad we can't have a normal discussion. Frankly i don't care about this topic like you seem to, i'm just voicing my opinion.

its still allowed in here, isn't it John?

Well I'm not laughing. This second post and your PM have also been reported.

[h0rnytoad1]

you seem a bit stressed and prone to make rash decisions. Relax man, we like you smooth & loving, can't we all just get along?

Live and let live bro

[h0rnytoad1]

Well I'm not laughing. This second post and your PM have also been reported.

hey i tried to talk to you, but if you don't want to, oh well.