The Non Smokers Thread !

[carl goldfinger]

Seems as it's worth to put a Non Smokers thread on here:

So, I'd like to begin:

I started smoking at the age of 13.
I stole cigarettes from my Daddy an smoked them with some friends in the bushes of our city park.
We almost had our panties full of .... you know what I mean.
He smoked Rothändle & Reval , the strongest cigarettes you could buy in Germany...two packages each day!
Also, my Dad smoked his cigarettes in our living room & kitchen.
That's why we three kids have been addicted when we have been so young.
Smoking was common sense at this time.
I stopped smoking when I was 27... and I have to state, it was harder than giving up alcohol.
I was a mental thing!
In the year 2009 my Daddy died of cancer... that was very very tough because he died in my hands.
He had a tumor in his left hip, big as a fist, but the triggering tumor was a small one in his right lung, sized like a pinhead.
It was only visable in a big magnetic resonance tomograph.
It was too late...& what should I say? He did NOT stop smoking!
My family begged him to give it up... no chance...
My thought was: OK, it is your life, if you want to throw the rest of your time away, it is your choice.
The only thing I could do was to stay with him until he passed away.
He could have had another year, instead.

This time, I think, I don't want to have smokers around me.
Most of them are ignorant & don't tollerate when somebody is complaining.
They are Nicotine junkies!
I think, in their own living rooms, smokers can smoke what & as much as they ever want...
their lifes, if they want to throw the rest of their time away, it is their choice.
BUT... I don't want to hold a smoker's dead hand again... it was the horror... believe me...

Yours

Carl

PS: I know, some of you are smokers or have a fetish with smoking, do what you want...but never think that you are free...

[h0rnytoad1]

damn carl, that as a tough situation, i feel for you bro

but you're right, some people just never learn. guess he just didn't think he had enough time to quit to make a difference.

i would prefer my mother quit too, but it's just not in her to see it.

PS: I know, some of you are smokers or have a fetish with smoking, do what you want...but never think that you are free...

what he said.

i hate what this addiction does.

[CGYMike]

Thanks for the posting Carl and the forum to chat about this.

My Mother is in the hospital for the fourth time in the last 8 months all due to smoking and the consequences of the habit. She is 82 years old and I'm sad that her quality of life in her golden years has been compromised by such a senseless addiction. I don't blame her for it and know that when you were 20 years old back in the 50's everyone smoked. She has had a lifetime to quit but always chose to ignore all the doctors good advise and continue to smoke, even through the past 6 months when every doctor she has seen has told her that the next one could be her last she continues to ignore their pleas. Thats a powerful addiction.

I do not expect her to last through the week.

That being said I am grateful for two things in my life:
That my children have seen the perils of what smoking can do to someone that you love
That I know they will never ever pick up a cigarette as long as they live

This is the second person close to me in my life that I am going to lose to smoking as opposed to old age. I urge you if you are reading this and partake in this activity, please please think about whether later on in life you want to go out on your own terms. I hope that I do.

Thanks for the forum
Mike

[h0rnytoad1]

wow mike, so sorry to hear that bro, my heart goes out to you

[stickyvicky]

My mother is having her surgery tomorrow morning at 9:30 am. She called me today, she is sooo scared of the surgery, she cried to me on the phone while sucking on a cigarette. Her left lung is collapsed, and they have to remove the air out of her chest cavity, and pump up the lung again so it can function. I don't know what they will do about repairing it if anything. It just makes me so mad, I don't even want to talk to her. She did it to herself.

[WalterB]

I am one of the very lucky ones. I quit in 1985, after 24 years of smoking unfiltered Pall Malls. My biggest help? I wanted to. One of the biggest impediments to stopping is that it is such an insiduous habit, you don't even know you are addicted. The biggest reason people give for not stopping is the old, "I don't want to." Of all the things you can do to quit, the biggest has to be that you sincerely want to. They (smokers) think they are in control. They think they are doing it because they "want" to. They simply do not realise that it is an addiction that forces them to continue.

Relatives of some of our friends here are suffering because of this. THiNK ABOUT IT!

Our friends Monica and Dave45 are both trying to stop. They seem to have taken that first step in that they want to. They need and deserve our support. Please encourage them.

Vicky, please. That is not the attitude to have. I can't tell you what to do or how to feel. But right now she needs you more than ever. Think about it. For however many years, she was there for you. When smoking started soooo many years ago, nobody had a clue of what it would do to you, that it would actually kill you. That it would grab you around the throat and hold on for dear life. It is an addiction, Vicky, just as hard to shake as heroin (ok, not quite, but not far from it.) The simple fact that people will continue to smoke as they get sicker and sicker should show that.

What she needs now is your support. If you were there, you could step in and help directly. But, you're not. I can only imagine how hard it must be to watch this happen to your mother. But, Vickiy, she needs you now more than ever. Stand by her. She loves you.

I know you got my PM a week ago. Are you listening?

[stickyvicky]

Just got off the phone with my mom, she had her surgery this morning, plus they did a bunch of biopsies. The doctor told he sampled all areas of her lung. So that means she is right now, inhaling smoke into freshly cut lung tissue. Smart. It's gonna take a week to get the results of the biopsies. She is coughing like crazy, they told her every morning, she when she coughs up, she has to spit it into a cup and collect it and bring it all to them. EEEEEWWWW I about barfed she told me that. Yeah smoking is real sexy.

[Anthony_JK]

Having both my mother and my father lost to some form of lung cancer scared me off of cigarette smoking for life...not even to the point of even lighting up to begin with.

Hopefully, Vicky, your mother survives this latest.

[h0rnytoad1]

Just got off the phone with my mom, she had her surgery this morning, plus they did a bunch of biopsies. The doctor told he sampled all areas of her lung. So that means she is right now, inhaling smoke into freshly cut lung tissue. Smart. It's gonna take a week to get the results of the biopsies. She is coughing like crazy, they told her every morning, she when she coughs up, she has to spit it into a cup and collect it and bring it all to them. EEEEEWWWW I about barfed she told me that. Yeah smoking is real sexy.

just heard sweetie, my heart goes out to you, hope she pulls through. They're gonna have to make her quit those. Matter of life or death at this point. For my mom too but she's not with the collapsed lung. she just hacks and cough every time she walks a few feet or does anything. yuck.

My dad and he always got bronchitis as a result. He used to do what your mom is doing but in a bucket everyday, he'd fill a few inches with water first then he'd do what he called his "drainage" every nite and mornings. 20-30mins of hearing to him cough out his lungs. lasted a good 10 years. Disgusting. Sometimes 3 times a day when he got sick. now he's too old to do it, 75.

He had quit smoking when i was born, so this is all residual from that and years of driving buses around the big city. so for him it's not just about smoking.

But mom is getting like that, she hacks it out of her lungs every morning. i keep telling her if she didn't put that crap in her lungs she wouldn't have to take it out the next morning.

My uncle on my father's side has it bad too. Wheezing all the time and still he keeps on smoking.

What is it going to take to get through to them i wonder.

it all starts in the mind. when you set your mind to it you can do it. it may take a few tries but once mind is made up, its gonna happen.

So working to convince them is an uphill battle.

Just my generation in my family i guess we're smart not to start.
Sister said she tried it once but it wasn't for her. i was never even tempted, pot either.

Anyway this is gross and sorry, just relating my folk's story.
Smoking is NOT sexy at all.

[Gert-Jan]

High school memories are coming back. I think many can picture those moments you're gathering with friends in between classes or hanging around outside when you're finished for the day. We were teenagers, 15-16 years old, a few had already lighten up a cigarette before, when they asked: "You want one? Here, have one!" Just a couple of weeks later I was the only one left, in a group of 10 classmates/real friends, that did not smoke and had been able to resist the temptation/curiosity of taking one of world's biggest health enemies.

... and let me tell you, that was one hell of an accomplishment already. "C'mon, join the party, have a cig" or "Don't be weak, you know you want to, it'll make you feel good". Suuuure. It smells aweful, so why on earth would I want to taste it? Have never smoked and I never will. I consider my physical health a vital ingredient to wealth. All your stories, Carl/Mike/Vicky/Walt/Anthony/HT, got me thinking again about the consequences of smoking. And though I was being called weak back in the day for not even wanting to hold a cigarette, I'm glad I listened to my inner voice that has always given me the right advice of what to do. Or what not to do.

My mom smokes and whenever she's visiting me or when I'm going over to my parents, she goes outside if she feels the urge to smoke. Doesn't matter if it's -10C or +10C. But every time when she comes back into the living room ... I can just smell it all around her. For a little moment, she is a walking Marlboro advertisement, lol. Love her though. <3

Much respect for Dave and Monica who have decided they want to kick the habit. If you two want, don't hesitate to use this thread as some sort of diary. Let us know when you're having a bad day or bad week, so we can support you. Or when you've been so busy all day long that you have not even thought about smoking, let us know that, too! The good, the bad, the ugly. Like Walt said, we are always listening.

[h0rnytoad1]

High school memories are coming back. I think many can picture those moments you're gathering with friends in between classes or hanging around outside when you're finished for the day. We were teenagers, 15-16 years old, a few had already lighten up a cigarette before, when they asked: "You want one? Here, have one!" Just a couple of weeks later I was the only one left, in a group of 10 classmates/real friends, that did not smoke and had been able to resist the temptation/curiosity of taking one of world's biggest health enemies.

... and let me tell you, that was one hell of an accomplishment already. "C'mon, join the party, have a cig" or "Don't be weak, you know you want to, it'll make you feel good". Suuuure. It smells aweful, so why on earth would I want to taste it? Have never smoked and I never will. I consider my physical health a vital ingredient to wealth. All your stories, Carl/Mike/Vicky/Walt/Anthony/HT, got me thinking again about the consequences of smoking. And though I was being called weak back in the day for not even wanting to hold a cigarette, I'm glad I listened to my inner voice that has always given me the right advice of what to do. Or what not to do.

My mom smokes and whenever she's visiting me or when I'm going over to my parents, she goes outside if she feels the urge to smoke. Doesn't matter if it's -10C or +10C. But every time when she comes back into the living room ... I can just smell it all around her. For a little moment, she is a walking Marlboro advertisement, lol. Love her though. <3

Much respect for Dave and Monica who have decided they want to kick the habit. If you two want, don't hesitate to use this thread as some sort of diary. Let us know when you're having a bad day or bad week, so we can support you. Or when you've been so busy all day long that you have not even thought about smoking, let us know that, too! The good, the bad, the ugly. Like Walt said, we are always listening.

lol gert, yunno that's how i think of it too, the smell is bad and never made me want to try it.

same for the 3rd hand smoke, aka clothes smell of smoke too.

we think alike and yes the habit really is bad but we do love our moms.

[Monica]

Jupp it's a nasty habbit
I started smoking when I was an early teenager, and back then 80% where smoking!
I don't know how it was in the rest of the world but it was very common here in Norway.
Now it's 20-22% smokers here. My mom is real sick, mostly from alcohol and smoke.
But that might just help me to quit. I really don't wanna end up like her!

Not easy tho, so right now I have changed to the mildest cigarettes you can get.
Only 10% of the nicotine and tar from what I normally smoke.
I tried to go cold turkey but, that did not work.. I am hoping that getting only 10% will reduse
the urge and make it eazy after a while.

I will make it but I think it will take some months.
Some quit eazy some don't... I don't...

Even if I am comitted to quit I have to say one thing.
There are lot's of anti smoke fanatics out there and lot's used to smoke themself... Go figure!
Shure don't hope I'll turn out that way when I'm finished smoking

That said! I do respect the non smokers, I will never smoke in your house or your car even if you say it's ok.
It's not a nice smell to leave behind you!

I'll try to update you on my progress (even if it's not fast)

Kisses Monica

[h0rnytoad1]

Good monica, power through !

[WalterB]

Like I mentioned, Monica, if you take six months to adjust to the new low level cigarettes, that is fine. You have reduced your intake by 90%. Then, on, say, July 1st, you can start your pills, or patches or gum or whatever you choose, and you should be able to quit within days, max 2 weeks. I can almost guarantee it. So, smoke your low tar cigs for now. After a month or so, look for 1 that's even lower. Then, on July 1st, start your pills.

GO, MONICA!

You, too, Dave. You listening??

[carl goldfinger]

You are on a good way, Monica

It took me one year to give it up and I did it the same way like you.
From hard cigarettes to soft ones... step by step... at least I smoked "ladies" cigarettes lol.

AND... I've listened into my body... cigarette for cigarette... -> it was screaming inside me...
Each cigarette was wearing me down... my lungs... couldn't breathe, my stomach... gave a shit (literally) , my kidneys & bladder... you know it better... etc

All over all, my body was complaining hard...
It told me : "Hey! Hey! I am feeling bader & bader with every cigarette! Leave that shit out of me, you can do better things with me..."

Better things... Yeah! I began with sports, again ... found out that a good meal is much better... & most important : Sex works better without smoking!

YES! It is a myth that a cigarette after a good fuck pushes your feeling. It helps to calm down, but never keeps the good feeling of an orgasm.

BTW...that were my biggest resistances against giving it up... the after sex cigarette and the after meal cigarette... were the last only helps to "give a shit" hahaha

Another problem was the kind of inner energy quality!
Most smokers have a bad vitality or vigor... you can see & feel it in their behaviour... most times its a mental problem which hides in the dark.
I've found mine & fought against it... I managed to wear it down in the very good end.
& what as the result?
I found back to a good self-esteem!
The feeling to "must have something in my hands" got lost slowly... no more nerousness...
My inner energy got positive.

Have you ever seen Ceasar Millan, the dog whisperer? Dogs can identify people with bad energy & self-esteem easily...
I think its something similar... That's why I love to see his films... most times he doesn't change the dogs, he changes the people's minds & self-esteem.

Go on Monica & never give up trying



Carl

[stickyvicky]

I was at the airport and I walked by the smoker's lounge. Boy was that disgusting! You could smell it as you were coming up to it, the glass was all yellow and fuzzy. The smoke was just hanging in the air, you could see the cloud about head high, was quite funny to see all the people standing in there with all that smoke. You didn't even need to light up, just going in there would give you the nicotine fix.

[h0rnytoad1]

Hey sweetie, how's your mom doing, is she recovering from her surgery ok ?
i hope mine doesn't have to go through that.

They couldn't pay me enough to work there a that airport smoking lounge.

The worst is when you rent a room online to some run down cheesy hotel cuz "the rates are cheap" and you find out the room wreaks of it when you get there. Oh man. And worse when it's an old hotel that was built before the 70's, you just know there musta been some weird sh*t going on during those "free love" and experimental years

Half the time you wonder if the stench is coming from the "very classy and uptodate" decor, stucko walls or the ceiling, yuck

[stickyvicky]

She is recovering from her surgery, but she had more xrays, biopsies, and a catscan, all of which are "inconclusive". How horrible, now she has to go for more tests....

[h0rnytoad1]

oh geez, they just need to get another Dr who has experience with this sort of thing.

like my uncle vincent, he's been in the hospital since last august, got bit by a moskito that had the west nyle virus, made him basically paraplegic to the point where he couldn't breath on his own. so they got him a breathing machine, they didn't even know how to work it properly, had to get some expert from a big city hospital to give them training.

the hospital he's in is so incompetent, on his 1st nite there they gave him 10 times the sleeping pill dosage, we don't know if its the Dr's fault or a nurse's.

well i'll say this for him, thank god he never smoked, picture of health , now he's able to move his forearm and soon he'll be going to a neurology center and a thoracic center to fix the problems that 1st hospital caused by improperly operating that breathing machine. so unnecessary.

you always gotta watch those places, they won't admit it but they make stupid mistakes. his wife should sue them for malpractice, at least get him a couple millions and go live down in the Bahamas or something nice like that.

Anyway, long story short, get the best care or it'll be worst before it gets better.

[carl goldfinger]

Gods in White!...I really don't like them deep down from my heart!
...I had very bad experiences with them... only a few have been reliable... you can count them on one hand.

, when my dad was in hospital, a nurse gave him the wrong pills in the wrong amount!
It only came out while my sister vistited him & checked the meds plan.
You have to know, my sister also works in a hospital & she knows about her "Pappenheimers".
My dad felt very, very bad & together with my sis he complained at the doctor.
He touched his head, excused to my dad and gave the nurse anther job where she couldn't do something wrong, we heard later.
No excuse from her... just bitching words of intolerable ignorance... my sis has gone mad & gave her the right comments!
The rest of the time the doc controlled everything twice & he did a good job.
If my sis wouldn't have found it out they had "cared" him to death, for sure!

My motto is: Use YOUR OWN common sense & check what they are doing with you!
If you find something mysterious, force them to explain what's going on & if it sounds useless, leave them (with a fuck yourself) & look for a better place to become healthy.
That is exactly what you would do with your own car & your own body is MORE worth to do so.

Doctors are only humans... no Gods... & sometimes they need to be grounded!

Yours

Carl