The American Flag (or any flag) in picsets

[stickyvicky]

I'm kinda glad you commented on it Walt (in the updates thread) maybe it will make some people think... Most people are not brought up properly, it's not their fault, they just don't know any better. No one ever taught me anything about the flag that's for sure, so if I hadn't heard about it from people like you, I would never know any better either. One person gave me a pile of crap about dancing on stage with my military jacket and throwing it on the floor while dancing. So after that I was careful to fold it and try to lay it down so it didn't seem disrespectful. What about girls getting naked and posing wrapped in or laying on the flag? Where do we draw the line? Thoughts? What is ok and what is not?

[oddjob]

Don't pose in a disrespectful way ie: posing with flag on the ground, everything else is good. well maybe not flag between your legs. nothing wrong with being a patriot.

[WalterB]

Well, I know we try to not get too political here, but since a (minor?) discussion started, I decided to post this. http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html It,, of course, only applies to the American Flag. Take a moment and look it over. You will most likely find things that you didn't know and that might surprise you.

I see every day examples of disrespect. People and large organizations are trying to show their patriotism, but I'm not sure why they can't just proudly fly or display the flag. Do we really have to jump out of a plane carrying a flag, only to drag it across the ground when we land? And wearing it as a garment is an absolute no-no. I don't know. I don't want to start a brou-ha-ha, I just wanted to comment on one particular instance, and express my belief that the American Flag should be treated with a little respect. And I would hope that members of every country should want to take a little pride in their flag. A lot of people fight long and hard for those flags, and shed a lot of blood for them. Young men taken far too soon, that we might enjoy the freedoms we today enjoy. Surely there is some other decoration that we can express our feelings with.

[erikandersongislaved]

Please use the flag in most of ways. I love patriotic American girls in Star&Stripes bikinis holding proudly the flag behind with hands.

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[hotjulie]

That was something that was taught to me, was respect for flags and what they represent. I never used one when I stripped, although some girls would use a flag for their floor show and to me that was wrong. A lot of places here have both the Canadian & American flag, some people don't like it, but I think it's a show of respect that we have for both our countries

[mikesline]

i'm sorry i can't help saluting this flag ,even when i'm sitting down

[Anthony_JK]

OK...are we talking about the actual Stars and Stripes flag, or simply replicas and images of it?

I'd think that the standards would be a bit tighter for the actual flag, but since it is a symbol of expression for the values we supposedly cherish, I'd suppose that simple common sense would do for respecting it.

I'm far more offended by those who fly the flag "properly" but defame it with bigotry or stupidity.

Given that sexy women are our greatest asset, I don't really see the issue with Old Glory on a bikini or a tank top.

[WalterB]

At first thought, I am put off by depictions such as Lylah's bikini and such. But what I like to think of as saner thinking makes me realize, this is not the flag. This is a depiction of Stars and Stripes, which is a representation of the symbol of pride and love that we feel for our country. And, as such, there ain't one dang thing wrong with it.

Now, walking on/spitting on/burning or otherwise denigrating the actual flag of this country (made in China) that Americans fought and died for so that you could enjoy the freedoms that allow you to mistreat that flag, I say Nope, you're wrong. And if you feel that way? I have a bus ticket to Mexico right here waiting for you. I'd like to see you go to Mexico and treat their flag that way. Let's try that out and see if we ever hear from your nasty ass again.

What? No way you're doing that? So, actually, you're just a big chicken? Did you ever for one second stand up and do something to defend this country? Let us know. What is your contribution?

[Rpierce56]

I have strong views on this subject. I served my country and am very proud of that. To me the Flag is not just a symbol of our country it is so much more than that. It is a reminder of all who served through out the years for us to live in a country that allows us the freedoms we hold so dearly. When someone walks on it or disrespects it any way it is a slap in the face of all those who died to protect the freedom for them to do that. I have had friends who have gave their lives for this country and came home wrapped in the flag. My daughter served over seas under that Flag and I worried every day waiting for her to return safely. I can understand why someone does it, it has nothing to do with what they are protesting, it has everything to do with getting the biggest bang for the buck to inflame so many people. I think what it does is the complete opposite. By disrespecting the Flag you do more harm than good in your cause. You get people so pissed off that they will turn away from you. There are so many ways other than disrespecting the memories of those who gave their lives for our freedoms to get your point across. As for taking photos in the nude with a Flag. As long as it is done with respect I have no problem with that.

[WalterB]

. As for taking photos in the nude with a Flag. As long as it is done with respect I have no problem with that.

It's a hard call. I generally agree. But it has to be done respectfully. Now, who defines "respectfully?" I would say, as long as you're not dragging it across the floor, sitting on it, or trying to cram it up your pussy, you should be OK. Use it to display your pride, but use it respectfully, as a point of pride, not as a shameless plug.

[rokkerr]

How do you guys feel about the current wave of kneeling during the Star Spangled Banner... I thought it was going to fade away with Kaepernick but yesterday Mike Evans from Tampa Bay knelt during the Veteran's salute...
I was all in favor of political speech but on some level it's getting too much...

Thoughts?

[carl goldfinger]

I think a flag is just a piece of cloth with paintings on it... just a symbol, nothing else.
There are flags for states, companies, advertising, religions, sports, coats of arms or whatever.
Some people take their symbols too seriously and to kneel down for such a symbol is way too exaggerated.
I would never do that for our black-red-golden flag. It's not really popular in Germany.
Only when the Germans won the soccer worldchamionship or a similar event the Germans come out off their caves with the black-red-golden one... lol
After the last war we had no more desire to raise arms, sing national anthems & wave with flags.
I konw there are other states like the USA which have a high national consciousness, as France, England...etc...and in some you'll get arrested when you disgrace the flag.
When they sing their national anthems enthusiastically I have to smile because this is a little bit embarassing to me...somehow...

I remember when the band "America" burned down the American flag in the 70s during a concert, the fans started a riot & the band was almost done after the happening...

Come On! It's just a piece of cloth...with paintings on it. Its not a holy grail...


...just my



Carl

[George B]

Personally I'm less inclined to care what anyone does with a piece of cloth or how they conduct themselves during a two-minute rendition of a song before a sporting event. I was rocking some stars and stripes on my hat when we blew up twitter last Saturday night with the NoProp60 shirt.

Re: Kaepernick and all, it's all kind of ridiculous seeing the reactions, especially the people coming up with shirts putting Colins head in the crosshairs or telling him to leave the country. I see nothing constructive about that kind of response. To his credit, at the very least, Kaepernicks protests reinforced the need for this dialogue about the feelings of systemic disenfranchisement. Whether that discussion takes form as Black Lives Matter, LGBTQ rights, etc etc.it is a discussion that needs to happen.

In my opinion, it's of greater importance that people work together to improve themselves, their communities and conditions for everyone. That the rampant flag-waving isolationism that has become so ingrained recently is troubling, as the world is only getting more and more interconnected. The words "No man is an island" ring truer now than ever before.

[catalina2]

While scanning Vicky's topics (something I promised myself I would no longer do) I happened upon this lovely discussion. It's no surprise that the women who have commented (excluding Rpierce and Walt's comments) also are the most intelligent and cogent. Vicky's most especially struck me as both logical and touching at the same time. Thanks Vicky for being willing to learn and to appreciate the symbolism of sacrifice some military objects have. I assume your jacket did not have a flag upon it which makes your gesture even more touching. As for the flag "being an expression of the values we "supposedly" cherish, speak for yourself! My brothers served in Korea and I have had the fortunate opportunity to travel from Southeast Asia to The Baltics and from Canada to Bolivia. I can tell you I KNOW what the values the flag "supposedly" expresses and so do my brothers. I can assure you those who chose to "sit out" the conflicts of Viet Nam, Korea, the Gulf Wars and the current wars have NO CLUE how men in uniform feel re the flag. Depictions of the flag, as Mike so aptly illustrates are another matter entirely. The only issue I have with this is the recollection of Abby Hoffman wearing the actual flag as underwear and being so applauded by the left while our fighting men were being dismembered five thousand miles away. Yes, those demonstrators were real patriots. They even convinced themselves. How pathetic. Let's not re-litigate that disaster. The comment that the flag is "just a piece of cloth with paintings on it" is equally naive. I assume, from the comments, that the writer is from Germany. His distaste for "flag waving" and flags is understandable considering the German paranoia about both world wars. He misses the point, however. As distasteful as the Nazi flag was, it represented National Socialism. In that respect it was Not just a "piece of cloth with painting on it". It represented the most vicious of ideologies much like ISIS today. The Rising Sun and Japan, one can argue, was a religious/racist war against the west very much like ISIS. So flags are NOT just "pieces of cloth with painting on them". They are representative of ideologies both good and evil. I don't like the Nazi flag, the Rising Sun or the flag of ISIS but I respect what ideologies those flags represent or what "values they supposedly" reflect. As to the argument that "no man is an island" I suspect this is a reference to globalism. I also suspect the writer never looked into the faces of those who have lost their livelihood to globalism or the miles and miles of rust and decay I see when I visit Buffalo and see the remains of what used to be the powerhouse manufacturer of steel - Bethlehem Steel. Yes, the world is becoming more interconnected. Newer and faster travel and communication have and will see to that. This new "interconnectedness" is to be viewed warily. It is coming but so, if we are not very, very careful, is the hand of authoritarianism. Why is the EU fracturing before our very eyes. No, it's not the Muslim immigration, though it is a significant factor. It is the fact that a couple of un-elected bureaucrats in Brussels and the ECB are dictating both monetary policy and what toothbrush to use in the morning to every member of the EU. All in the name of the "public good" or to "level the playing field". There have been miserable failures at globalization before, e.g. the League of Nations, the United Nations. Both are and were laughable in their efforts and composition. I suggest anyone believing in the "World Community" and that we are "citizens of the world" read both Karl Marx and Ayn Rand. You might find them more enlightening than listening to the nonsense that has been spewed by our current President and lefties since the days of Woodrow Wilson. Wasn't his presidency a success. Yes, about as successful as Jimmy Carter's.
There is so much more to write but I feel I've pissed enough ppl off for tonight so let's leave Kaepernick alone before I get pissed myself.

[George B]

[rokkerr]

http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/01/adult-f ... scars.html

Her comments on it... I am not too fond of a burnt flag ... although yes, freedom of expression gives you that right to express yourself...

[WalterB]

You don't want to know my comment.

[TheShaft]

You don't want to know my comment.

Ditto

[catalina2]

couture of the left.

[PeterL22]

Sorry I'm old fashioned - I do stand BARE HEADED for National anthems - and proudly sing my own (Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau). They are not just songs but are a tangible way of showing your pride in your nation (and that's the people past and present not the institutions or land mass).
I have always been impressed by the way the people of the USA have this pride and use the Stars and Stripes as a symbol of their pride.
The best post so far has talked about the difference between a flag and the replica stuff on t-shirts etc - I think that is an important point!
I wear Ddraig Coch (Red Dragon - flag of Wales) t-shirts and even socks and am still immensely proud of the actual flag.
As long as you are proud of the right thing - the people - I think its important to have reminders of this!