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June 22nd, 2013, 2:58 pm

I have to admit, I'm proper disappointed at Higuain going to Arsenal! I'd have loved him at Spurs and a signing like this really makes Arsenal a much stronger side which makes things doubly worse... It's the kind of signing that really, Arsenal should have been making 4-5 years ago. It's been blatantly obvious they needed a goalscorer to replace Henry and to take the pressure off van Persie, but for some reason Wenger could never pull the trigger on a deal. I don't think anyone ever really brought the idea that they couldn't afford to do so, so it must have been down to Wenger deciding they were better off with Gervinho and Giroud.

To answer your question, yeah I can rationally analyse their situation... They are pieces of trash lol. Seriously though, they are pretty much the model of exactly what we are trying to do ourselves and fair play to them for executing the plan almost perfectly so far. They rake in something like £98m a year in matchday revenue despite more than a few games of less than full capacity, second only to Manchester United, whilst we huff and puff our way just under £25m with sell out crowds. The stadium is all important these days to clubs that aren't owned by sugar daddies (Manchester City's matchday revenue is almost exactly the same as Spurs!) so if you've got 20,000 extra people paying £40-£100 a week for tickets, then things look pretty rosy.

Now that the stadium is paid off, there would be serious questions raised by the fans if Arsene didn't start to spend some of the their hard earned money. The interesting part will be if Wenger feels confident enough to splash the cash. Higuain is almost a no brainer as for the relatively acceptable fee for a player of his calibre, he almost can't fail. But will they be prepared to compete with the likes of Chelsea, Man City, PSG, Monaco, etc on transfer fees whilst his bosses are shouting about being in the top 5 richest clubs? Would he be brave enough to spend £30m on someone like Isco for instance? I'm not so sure. Although maybe that's just me praying and hoping he doesn't ;)

Yep, looks like Carlo will be rocking up at Real Madrid now doesn't it? I like Blanc and wouldn't have been unhappy had he been chosen instead of AVB at the time. As you say, he did brilliantly at Bordeaux and I don't think anyone could have managed those gigantic egos in the French dressing room at the time. I suppose there will be added pressure in the PSG job, especially with Monaco breathing down their necks, but he strikes me as composed and intelligent man who will take on the situation methodically and with passion.

Do you think the Maher situation will have any effect on Eriksen leaving or is he pretty much gone once an offer comes in for him? Quick question for you GJ - do the dutch leagues have any quotas on the number of homegrown players each team must have in their squad? Over here, I believe that each team can have a maximum of 25 players over the age of 21 with at least 8 of them being trained in England for 3 years under the age of 21. If they don't have 8 of these players - say they only have 7 - then they can only name 24 players in the squad. Thus over here, despite 90% of the English players being very average, they still command fairly high transfer fees. I only mention this as you are obviously surprised by the €10m asking fee for Maher. If there was a player like him over here, clubs would be piling up to pay twice that just to get another home grown player on their books. See Manchester City cycling Adam Johnson then Scott Sinclair and now Jack Rodwell for an example of English player quota purchasing!

But hey, at least this quota system is paying dividends in providing an abundance of top quality English internationals... Oh.

Haha, I said double figures for Spain if they could be bothered didn't I! I should have put some money on it :fail: I almost feel a bit sorry for Tahiti, because it's not their fault they managed to qualify through FIFA's stupid system. But aside from giving 23 Tahitians a nice holiday in Brazil, it does absolutely nothing for the competition and just leaves them to be humiliated for three games.

Do you think we need to re-evaluate our predictions of Spain's era of dominance coming to an end...? ;) It's an incredible amount of skilful players they have to pick from and it's scary to think that there will be some of those you listed who only end up with a handful of caps due to the coach having to pick from 2-3 other players in the same position.

Quick bit of transfer news over here: Liverpool have agreed a fee of around £10m for Mignolet from Sunderland. That raises questions about the future of Reina. And back to the Brazilians at Spurs, Paulinho seems to be looking very close to signing. There has been loads of stories about a fee being agreed and even Corinthians have pretty much confirmed too. So fingers crossed AVB gets his man.
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June 23rd, 2013, 2:34 pm

The three sources of income: matchday revenue, television revenue and sponsors. It's really interesting to see the biggest competitions in Europe (England, Germany, Spain, Italy) all getting their main income from something else. If I'm well informed, English clubs get a LOAD television money of which Dutch teams can only dream about, lol. Clubs in Germany are doing extremely well when it comes to sponsoring. Bayern Munich have the most lucrative shirt sponsorship deal in the world thanks to T-Mobile. And clubs in Italy have pathetic match revenues, but that ain't surprising anymore. Once the graphs of the fiscal year 2012/2013 are published, I'll see if I can post them here, too. Numbers and pictures often tell more than thousand words.

It has always been Wenger's philosophy; seeking young talented players, preferably French ones, so he can project his ideas about Football on them. He will never be the coach of Barcelona, but Wenger IS the kinda man that would fit there perfectly. Maybe Ajax, also. It's noble to think he can still achieve success with that formula, but with exception of the year in which an undefeated Arsenal took the title, such a strategy doesn't work for the long haul. You're right, they should have spended some money on a quality player like Higuain few years ago. It's good to see Arsenal on their way up again, though.... better late than never? Sorry, I promise I won't mention this "pieces of trash"-club for, let's say, the next 7 days? Image

The paragraph about the home grown players finally answered some questions raised over the years. It made no sense to me at all, that despite City's ambition of becoming Europe's number one team, they kept on signing guys like Johnson and Sinclair, who are obviously not good enough. Was this the case with Shaun Wright-Phillips, also? We don't have that rule in Holland, although Johan Cruijff has been telling everyone for years that we should be implementing regulations, which prevent clubs to keep signing South-Americans, Africans, Japanese and East European players. "Holland is known for its talented youth and way of educating its players, exactly the way Ajax is currently doing it again". Now I finally get why the powerful English clubs are trying to persuade so many young Dutch guys to come to the UK, even before they have reached the age of 16! Rekik (former Man City), Ebecilio (former Arsenal), Aké (Chelsea).

Eriksen will leave Ajax for sure.... unless he decides to sign a new contract in Amsterdam. His current one expires in 2014, so Ajax have to sell him or else he will walk away next summer without them receiving any money. Plus, there are a lot of clubs interested to sign him, so it's best for everybody that he's leaving now.

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1. Brazil. 9
2. Italy. 6
3. Mexico. 3
4. Japan. 0

Ranking as expected. Brazil vs Urugary and Spain vs Italy in the Semis, followed by Brazil vs Spain in the Final. In the end, we will have had a decent and good Confederations Cup after all. I'm gonna stick with Brazil winning this tournament, though. Spain are lacking a good striker.... sounds lame, but I'm serious. Look up their statistics. The goal difference in Spain's matches is far from impressive. Ball possession percentage is extremely high, but efficiency is looooow. So yeah, Brazil! :D
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June 25th, 2013, 4:15 pm

Yeah there are some really interesting comparisons between the various incomes of the different top leagues. You're right that clubs in England get an absolute boat load of money from TV, especially this year when a mind boggling £3billion is dished out over the next 3 years. One thing to bear in mind that that distinguishes the English league to the Spanish is that the TV deal money is shared exactly equally between all 18 clubs. So where as in Spain you have Real Madrid and Barcelona having their own gigantic TV rights deals with the rest having to scrape together what they can, over here Stoke City and Norwich make exactly the same amount as Manchester United and Liverpool.

Clubs that have been promoted to the Premier League this season have also guaranteed themselves at least £120million even if they get relegated this coming season. That is made up from £63m just for finishing bottom!! and an extra £59m over 4 years in 'parachute payments' which are designed to help relegated clubs stay in business after playing top level wages (or as normal people call it - gross mismanagement) ;)

Going back to those pieces of trash we spoke of last time ;) Take the £93m in matchday revenue, plus Champions league money and add in the £100-odd million in prize money for finishing... 8th :innocent: and you can see where that bold claim about potentially being in the top 5 richest clubs comes from. Damn.

Another interesting comparison that may or may not have made it into the Dutch news during last season with all the Bayern exposure, is the price of season tickets. Apparently you can get a Bayern Munich season ticket for around €150. In comparison, the cheapest season ticket over here is £150... in League 2 (the fourth division)! Now, which team would you rather watch for a season - Bayern or Hartlepool? Tough choice, isn't it? There was also a rather cheeky little story I heard where it was suggested it was cheaper for someone in Britain to fly to Munich, purchase a ticket and watch Bayern that it was to just purchase a ticket to watch Arsenal :)

Yep absolutely keep an eye out for some graphs 'cos there are bound to be some fascinating comparisons.

Yeah the homegrown rule hasn't really encouraged the development of English players, it's just made the richer clubs look to pinch the young players of foreign teams! Because we have players signing professional forms at around 16 over here, whereas in Spain (I think this is still the case) they can't sign until they are older. Thus you get a 16 year Cesc Fabregas being legally 'stolen' from Barcelona and there was not a damn thing they could do about it.

Ah, I didn't realise Eriksen only had one more year left on his contract. That makes sense now why his transfer fee doesn't seem that outlandish. Would you say Ajax would be lucky to get much more that €12m for him? I do hope that wherever he goes, he can continue to improve and not get lost at another club. I have a big soft spot for Denmark through friends and he's just about the biggest hope they have for the future.

I haven't seen as much as I would have liked of the Confederations cup, but from the highlights I've seen, it does seem to to have been pretty entertaining with Brazil in particular lighting up their own tournament. I too hope they win it, just to build up the anticipation for the World Cup as much as anything. As for Spain, I hope you're wrong about them needing a good striker because David Villa is being heavily linked with Spurs so I hope he's still got some life in him yet lol :-p Actually now that you mention it, what has happened to Llorente ? I just realised I haven't heard a thing about him in months!

I see Ancelotti has finally been named as Real Madrid head coach. I like Carlo, and hope he does well there. It will probably all end in tears in a season or two though :-p
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June 25th, 2013, 9:28 pm

Llorente already wanted to leave Bilbao last season, just like Javi Martinez. The big boss over there didn't want to see both go at the same time, though.... fans of the club would feel "robbed" then. So when Bayern Munich paid €40m for Martinez, president Urrutia did everything he could to keep Llorente in Bilbao. The striker has been walking around frustrated ever since. Juventus signed him last January, effective July 1; transfer fee €0. Probably packing his bags as we speak, lol. (I expect another BIG name going to Juve.) Head coach Bielsa left Bilbao, Ernesto Valverde is his replacement. Valverde didn't see enough perspective in Valencia as they weren't able to qualify for the Champions League.

Huh? Carlo Ancelotti manager of Real Madrid? No way!!!! Image What will Florentino Perez do first now..... making a phone call to Bale?

As expected.... Fenerbahce are NOT allowed to play European Football for the upcoming two seasons, while Besiktas have been banned for one season. It has been proven that Fenerbahce's title in 2011 as well as Besiktas' Cup victory in 2011 were part of a domestic matchfixing scandal.

I haven't heard Ajax name their price for Eriksen yet, but keeping in mind he only has one year left, I'd think €10m is the maximum. Will keep ya posted.
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June 26th, 2013, 2:39 pm

Ah yes of course! I remember now about the pre-contract signing with Juventus. It's not surprising really then that he's been kicking his heels for the past 6 months. Speaking of Juventus, you've probably heard the news they are signing Carlos Tevez? A relatively modest fee of around £10-12m but it sounds like they are still paying him monster wages. City now 'just' have Aguero and Dzeko on the books as strikers, and it's been long rumoured Dzeko would be leaving this summer (possibly to Dortmund as a replacement for Lewandowski) so one would assume they are planning on making a large purchase or two.

Cavani is the name hotly mentioned over here at the moment with Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United all linked, but all deterred by the £50m+ buy out fee. He's undoubtedly talented, but he's certainly not worth anything like that in my opinion. He strikes me as a poor man's Falcao in style. He'll probably score plenty, but miss shed loads too.

I was talking to a friend at work yesterday and with Cavani in mind, I suggested who was the last striker to come from the Italian league into the English game and perform well. We could only really come up with Balotelli and after him we were stuck for names. Recent Italian league superstars have flopped pretty badly over here - Shevchenko, Crespo, Bianchi. Can you think of anyone in the past 5 years or so that has made an impression over here that we might be having a mental block forgetting?

Your point (in jest haha) about Ancelotti's appointment at Real and the first thing being a phone call about Bale raises in interesting point in that there is still a lot of big name managers and teams who are yet to really make their first mark. Mourinho at Chelsea has been very quiet (I know they signed Schurrle but I don't think he was Jose's signing), PSG have Blanc's first signing to make, David Moyes at Man United, Pelegrinni at City... It makes you wonder if they are all waiting to see who blinks first with a big signing!

Have you noticed how there has been very little talk about Suarez these past few weeks? I still think he will be the big one to leave this season and the way Liverpool are quickly and quietly signing players including strikers, it makes you wonder if they have already accepted that he will be going?

I wonder who will get the Turkish European spots after the matchfixing punishments? I suppose it will be the next placed side in the league, but with FIFA you never know what rules they will make up do you!
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June 28th, 2013, 3:19 pm

Been pretty busy past few days.... time to catch up! :D

Juventus' goal for upcoming season is to not only achieve success in the Serie A, but to reach the last stage of the Champions League as well. Agnelli is making that very clear after signing Llorente and now Tevez, two excellent strikers. Low transfer fee is making sure both can be offered a "nice" wage, doubt they'll starve to death, lol. As for Italians in the Premier League.... I can't think of anyone recent. Names that come to mind are Zola, Vialli, Ravanelli. And about Cavani as well as Suarez, I think clubs are waiting to see how they are doing in Brazil. Don't forget it's still June and the transfer market will not officially be open until July 1.

Spain. Real Madrid sign Isco. They could not have made a better choice. I mean, they only have Kaka, Ozil, Modric, so you definitely need a player like Isco.... sense sarcasm? Kaka will be sold, without a doubt, but why the hell do you need Isco when you have Ozil and Modric?!?! Can't they just send the Croatian back to Tottenham then? Meanwhile, Chelsea player Marko Marin moves to Sevilla on loan base. It's a pity to see so many guys go to Chelsea, while the boss in London seems to have no intention at all of giving players like Marin, DeBruyne, Lukaku, time to adjust to the high level of performance. Obviously, it's more and more turning into a one man show. Abramovich is buying, but lacking the right knowledge of WHO he should be signing and WHY. Damn, I seem to get a little frustrated by such stupidity.

Monaco news! They have been handed a two-point penalty following violent incidents by fans during their second-division title celebrations. Also, they have to play one game behind close doors, but that'll give "fans" more time to relax on their boats, lol.

Turkey. Yanal is the new head coach of Fenerbahce, replacing Kocaman. Yes, the European tickets will go to the next placed side in the league; Galatasaray and Bursaspor play (Qualification) CL. Trabzonspor, Kasimpasa, Kayserispor play (Qualification) Europa League. Keep an eye on Kasimpasa; club is owned by a multi-millionaire, who's currently signing lots of Dutch players and wants to challenge Istanbul's big three.

Lastly, Confederations Cup. South American clash on Wednesday, European- on Thursday. Not sure how you feel about it, but I wasn't impressed. Brazil equals Neymar, it's never a good thing if everything has to come from one player. Plus, David Luiz was being his stupid ass self again, lol. That guy can NOT defend. I mean it! Why did Chelsea buy him? And, does Brazil have no better defenders than Luiz? Their whole defense is astonishly poor.... backs seem too offensive at times. Thiago Silva is the only exception: world class player. Spain had trouble scoring against Italy. I was rooting for Italy, no joke! Great tactics, the opposite of how they approached Spain in 2012's European Championship Final. Most exciting about this SF last night was the extra time. Giaccherini hit the bar, Xavi the post. And penalties are a lottery, it can go either way. Brazil vs Spain.... I'm picking Brazil cause of their home advantage. Did you see Brazil's Semi-Final? How did you feel about Neymar? Diving, being annoying. He has to change his style in order to succeed in Barcelona.

(This just got in..... Pieters is moving from PSV to Stoke City; €3,5m. Dutch referee Kuipers will lead the Confederations Cup Final .... )
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June 30th, 2013, 6:49 am

Yes indeed, lots to catch up on! You've hit just about every point (and a few more lol) that I was going to touch on next, so starting with Juventus. Isn't it amazing that Juventus can suffer great punishment due to their bribery offences and yet in just a few years time be back on top of Italian football dishing out huge wages! The wonder of Italian football, eh? How are your sarcasm detectors working lol ;)

Isco. I get the feeling this is one of those transfers where Real thought they had to buy someone to appease the fans, just in case they don't manage to get Bale, Suarez, The Messiah, etc. Plus, one would assume that Pellegrini would have been certain to sign him for City so Real needed to move relatively fast. As for where he fits into the Madrid side, well that's another question entirely! As you say, Kaka will almost certainly be kicked out (would you be surprised if he went on a free transfer? They seem desperate to get rid of him and I can't imagine many teams will stump up much for him now). Modric, yes please we will take him back at Spurs although with the *fingers crossed* signing of Paulinho due to happen after the Confederations Cup Final, he might not be high on the wanted list now, but I can still see him also being sold. I could see Manchester United going for him as he's exactly what they need... :( There have also been murmurs of Di Maria being on his way too. Or maybe they are still concerned about Ronaldo leaving seeing as he hasn't signed the new contract yet!

Chelsea's transfer policy over under Abramovic pretty much is: Opposition Team A are negotiating over Player X valued at around £15m. He is supposed to be good. Offer selling club £20m and be done with it. See Oscar, Mata, Hazard, Marin, Mikel, Essien, Ba, Luiz, Lukaku... Whether they actually need those players or not is irrelevant - it's all about stopping rival teams getting the players. Arsenal were nailed on to sign Mata, we thought Oscar was Spurs, Hazard could have gone pretty much anywhere, numerous teams were circling Ba but were worried about his knee... It's the same story over and over. Ironically, they could get very lucky with Lukaku as he was an absolute beast for West Brom on loan last season and many people think he was Chelsea's best striker. With how Mourinho loved Drogba, I wouldn't be surprised to see him leading the line for them next season. As I mentioned before about the squad limits over here, Chelsea had only a 24 man squad last season because they didn't have enough homegrown players, but they just don't care. It's easier for them to sign players and deal with the consequences later. If it means sending an £18m signing out on loan for a season, then so be it.

This stockpiling of players is a nasty side to the game, but one that could easily be solved if players were not so damn naive or blinded by money! It's a bit like the English players at Man City - Surely Scott Sinclair, Adam Johnson and Jack Rodwell must have know that they would hardly get a game for them? So why basically write off 2 years of your career for the sake of earning £10,000 a week extra when you're already earning more than enough?

I suppose it is a bit ironic that Monaco get deducted two points, yet it's for something the fans have done and nothing to do with the financial side of things. It makes you wonder if this is a kind of warning shot to Monaco from the FFF to say they are prepared to dish out punishments when it does come to financial issues?

Thanks for notifying me about Kasimpasa - I hadn't heard anything at all about them, so I shall certainly keep an eye out for them to see if the press start linking any players from over here. Knowing the British media, it won't take them long to start linking just about everyone, including managers :-p

Ah yes, I was going to mention Pieters and ask your thoughts on that one. He's got a decent number of caps hasn't he? Sounds like a pretty astute signing by Stoke. Out of interest, what style of defender is he? You probably know that Stoke under Pulis had the (fully deserved) reputation of being overly physical and akin to playing rugby rather then football. Now that Hughes is in charge, is this going to see them play with a little more style, or is Pieters just another big, limited, bruiser of a defender?

I watched most of both semi-finals in the Confederations Cup and I too was impressed by Italy. They were really unlucky to lose and were made to rue the missed chances in the first half and in extra time. From an English stand point, it was quite amusing to watch a penalty shoot-out where both teams didn't look like they were going to miss with every shot lol. As for Brazil, I agree totally. Their defending is comical to the point of non-existent! Marcello and Dani Alves just can't be bothered with defensive side of things, David Luiz blatantly wants to be a ball playing midfielder and that just leaves the unfortunate Thiago Silva and the goalkeeper to try and defend. It's been tough to form an opinion on Paulinho because it's nigh on impossible for the poor guy to try and act as a vaguely defensive midfielder in front of that defence!

As for picking a winner, I'd still like Brazil to claim the trophy just because it's always more fun when the host nation wins and you get to see the crowds excitement, plus it's a bit boring seeing Spain win all the damn time lol. But thinking of that Brazilian defence and them not coming up against a team so far who will dominate possession, I just think Spain will prove to be party poopers. That is unless Big Phil can devise a gameplan that will abandon the kamikaze defending.

Oh almost forgot about Neymar: Yep, I said it a while back that he will need to 'grow up' very quickly at Barcelona or he might find life very tough. The referees don't exactly favour Messi and Ronaldo when they get lumps kicked out of them, so he's not going to get much sympathy flinging himself to the ground at the slightest touch, etc. Combine that with him instantly being at least second in the pecking order, it will prove a real test of his character. I hope he does cope with everything though, because he's undoubtedly got the talent to become one of the greats.

One last thing and Wayne Rooney is headlining the papers this weekend, with Arsenal reported to be preparing a £20m offer and Chelsea waiting to - get this! - match the offer. In the meantime, Wayne has graciously suggested he will stay at United if they match his current 250,000 p/w wages. That's awfully decent of him, don't you think? And on the subject of United, they tabled a £12m bid for Leighton Baines last week, which was rejected. Which is funny really as David Moyes classed a bid of the same amount last year as derisory... I'm sure they will up the bid over the coming months, once Fergie has had a few words with the press though and Baines (who I was surprised to learn was 28, nearly 29 - I assumed he was around 25-26 at most) will join for around £16-18m ;)
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July 1st, 2013, 4:31 am

Had to come by and say a quickie about the final last night - wow! I didn't see the whole match (curses to the late night kick off!) but from the highlights I saw this morning and read, Brazil were on another planet to Spain. Clearing balls off the line, defenders tracking back - what kind of madness was this!? Maybe Big Phil is a member on here and he has been secretly reading our comments lol. Neymar's finish was sublime and he looked like he was in fine form. Although I wonder how much of a warm welcome Pique will give him on the first day of training ;)

Spain on the other hand looked shell shocked and I wonder how they will react to this result? They were a little lucky to escape against Italy in the semi final too. One wonders if they will stick to their ethics or look to become more forceful in attack rather than rely on possession to drive the opposition into submission?

And one quick bit of exciting transfer news: Reports were running wild last night that Spurs have agreed deals to sign Tin Jedvaj and Alen Halilovic from Zagreb for a potential €20m fee! With both players only 17, they are not allowed to leave Croatia until 18, so Jedvaj could come in January and Halilovic next year, but boy, what a coup for Spurs if this is true!
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July 1st, 2013, 1:34 pm

Not sure if you guys watched the game but Brazil were terrific...... Gert, I don't remember who you picked...
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July 1st, 2013, 4:44 pm

Fantastic game indeed! My money was on Brazil, cause of their home advantage. Image

I think I haven't been this excited about a Football match in a long time. One of the best matches of the past season. I know I predicted Brazil to win the Final, but never thought it was going to be anything like THIS! Supported by almost 80.000 Brazilians in the Maracana Stadium seemed to have given all the players the ability to fly and do what nobody in the world would ever thought was going to happen; defeating Spain with 3-0! It's weird how I get goose bumps all over again while writing this. I was cheering and standing on the couch acting as if my living room was actually Rio De Janeiro. Only thing missing were the bootylicious women dancing in front of me and riding against my.... okay, getting off topic here, lol.

The best defense is offense. And while I still had doubts about Fred being Scolari's number one striker, I can now honestly say he has me convinced. He may not play at one of the best clubs in the world, but his teamwork with Neymar combined with the fact he's also willing to do some defensive work, instead of just walking around in the box and waiting for a ball, justifies Scolari's decision to appoint him as his number one guy for that position. Brazil have been playing friendly matches for quite a while now and that can hardly be motivating, but once there is a big tournament and they have to give all they have, Brazilians will do everything for their country. Give everything they have. Go to the max. Push the limit. Fight for their right. Fight till they.... die? Damn, I should really try to stay focussed, lol. Thus, probs to Brazil, but let's not get carried away yet. Still 342 days until the World Cup 2014 is going to take place and a lot can happen in one year. There will be much more competition than just Spain, Italy and Uruguay.

Little bit about Spain. What happend to the World- and European Champion? It's just one player, but it seems the absence of Xabi Alonso had something to do with this loss. And, if I were in Del Bosque's shoes, I would have started with Jesus Navas from the beginning. Furthermore, the striker issue. Spain play like Barcelona, known as Tiki Taka; ball possession, dominating the game. But it's vital to find a striker who fits in that system. The fact Del Bosque started with Soldado in the first match of this Confederations Cup is proof he hasn't got a clue who that perfect striker is. Torres has never been the same after he left Liverpool. David Villa is world class. Tottenham will have the Premier League topscorer of 2013/2014 if they are able to persuade him to come to London. Fabregas in the striker role would guarantee a perfect ball circulation, but at the same time would make it useless to play with wingers. Fabregas doesn't have the predatory Romario-like finishing. So, who to choose? Time will tell.

Real Madrid and Barcelona get approximately 50% of the Spanish television revenues, which is making sure the Primera Division is turning into Real/Barca vs the rest. It's no secret lots of Spanish clubs are facing a debt hangover. All leading to an exodus of Spanish players, such as Michu (Swansea), Cazorla (Arsenal), Javi Martinez (Bayern Munich), Aspas (Liverpool), Luis Alberto (Liverpool), Navas (Man City), Amorebieta (Fulham), Llorente (Juventus), Joaquin (Fiorentina). Also, those two big guns Barca and Real were demolished in the latest edition of the Champions League. Incident? Trend?

I'd like to mention that Kasimpasa's owner is "just" a multi-millionaire. He ain't nothing like the people behind City, PSG, Monaco, cause those are multi-billionaires, lol. For now, Kasimpasa are aiming at a position in between Gala, Fener and Besiktas, that would be a big achievement already.

Erik Pieters is a left back defender who plays in offense- as well as defense mode. Definitely not a guy we've been used to seeing under Pulis. Summary of Pieters' skills: Technical. ☑ Tactical. ☑ Mental. ☑ Physical. ❒ Have always had my doubts about him though. Yes, he has a numerous amount of caps, but that's simply due to the fact we don't have anything better for that position. Sad, but true.... good luck with him there in England, lol. In addition, Ola Toivonen will most likely move from PSV to Norwich City. And it's official now that Adam Maher, Holland's most talented new player, has signed a contract with PSV. Reports say they pay AZ Alkmaar €8m, but both clubs neither confirm nor deny. Great signing.

Why does Rooney demand more money every 3 or 4 years .... does taking care of Coleen really cost that much? :lmao:
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July 2nd, 2013, 3:22 pm

So what you're saying Gert, is that you quite enjoyed the Brazil game? ;) Lol. I'm pretty pissed off with myself for not staying up to watch it now! Wouldn't you say there is nothing in football quite as magical as a Brazil team playing like they did on Sunday night? The recent Barcelona and Spanish teams, the Dutch 'total football' era, etc have all been spectacular to watch, but nothing stirs the emotions quite like those yellow shirts giving a footballing masterclass.

My observations of the modern Brazilian national team is that they pretty much get 'pimped out' to play friendlies here there and everywhere as the Brazilian FA cash in on their high marketability. Thus they play shed loads of friendlies, but because of this they hardly get to play their first choice squad until the tournaments come around due to them having to manage the players who are available without annoying the European based players clubs. This is bore out in the fact they have called up a massive 68 different players in the past 12 months alone (the current 21 Confederations Cup squad plus 47 other players)! So it's even more to their credit that they can pull themselves together when it counts.

As for Spain, I agree totally about their striker problems. I think David Villa would be the obvious answer but he gets played wide for Barcelona these days since his leg break, so until he's back banging in a hat-trick every week for Spurs ( :innocent: ) then he won't be at his best for Spain. Plus he is 31 so coming to the end of his career at the very top. So then I'd say that Fabregas would be the most sensible choice as he occasionally played the Messi role for Barca. But as you say, it won't guarantee the same number of goals as having Messi in the side! But hey, at least if Spain have got striker worries, it gives the other nations a bigger chance against them so let's not complain too much haha :)

It has come to something when we can describe the owner of a football team as 'just' a millionaire doesn't it! Thinking about it, if I was a millionaire I'd be a bit worried about investing it into a football club because history has shown, owners very rarely get back anything close to what they have put into it... Let's hope for Kasimpasa and the owner's sake, he's got at least few hundred million :-p It probably won't stop the British press still trying to link a few players over there though lol.

Hmm, you don't sound too convinced on Pieters! Well he will certainly be tested in the Premier League as full backs can get ripped apart if they aren't totally up to the task. How do you reckon Toivonen will do over here Gert? He's been linked over the past few years with various levels of clubs, but no one seemed brave enough to take a punt on him so far. Oh so Maher has gone to PSV? I wonder who Ajax will turn to as plan b now?

I saw this evening that PSG have tabled a £43m bid for Cavani, but the Napoli president has insisted that they will only accept €63m net so goodness knows what the total sum will be once tax has been paid too! Something tells me that even Chelsea and Man City won't be paying that much for Cavani, so let's see how he handles being priced so highly... I can see there being tears before bedtime on this one ;)

More certain transfer news: Spurs have agreed to sign Paulinho - voted third best player at the Confederations Cup :cheerleader: for £17m. Paulinho held a press conference last night where he confirmed he was on his way to Tottenham. Although we haven't officially confirmed the transfer, which is a bit odd, but surely even Spurs can't screw this one up now! To think that next season we could quite likely be seeing Brazil's first choice central midfield pairing of Sandro and Paulinho at White Hart Lane is quite unbelievable! Add in Dembele and I doubt there will be many opposition teams who fancy coming up against that trio, along with knowing Gareth Bale is running wild and quite possibly David Villa lurking too. This could be one hell of a season for Spurs. I can't wait!

As for Rooney, maybe it isn't Coleen who is high maintenance, but his hair transplants that requires Wayne to keep himself stocked up on pound notes :rofl:
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July 4th, 2013, 4:13 pm

I'll be honest, Ola Toivonen is a real pain in the ass! He keeps collecting yellow cards the way you and I collect porn, lol. And he has been like this throughout his whole carreer. I have read several interviews with people who had worked with him before coming to PSV. They all said the same; a guy lacking the right mentality. Constantly diving, collecting lots of cards, doesn't matter if the color is yellow or red. Hope you guys in the UK have fun with him, too! Image

Ajax' plan B is Marco van Ginkel, another youngster, recently active at the Under 21 tournament. Awesome midfielder, big potential, box-to-box player. Ajax were willing to pay around €7m, but his club Vitesse seem to have made a deal with Chelsea already. Higher bid? Wrong! I heard they are paying LESS; around €5m. Not sure if I mentioned it earlier, but Chelsea owner Abramovich (Russia) and Vitesse owner Jordania (Georgia) are big friends. I'm not insinuating anything, though....

Wow, there's more Vitesse. Striker Wilfried Bony is linked with Swansea City. He has the same skills and strength as Drogba. Problem is Bony has about 8 different agents, so according to them he'll soon sign in Germany, Spain, Italy, Ukraine, Russia, Portugal, France and England, lol. Football, July, transfers, agents. Just thought I'd write it down here in case he does move to Wales.

Oh, what's the latest on Baines? Don't tell me he's next to go to Manchester United?!?!
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July 5th, 2013, 4:05 pm

In that case, I can see the referees having a field day with Mr Toivonen lol! The refs over here relish two things: Giving out bookings for pointless little arguments or challenges, and giving cards to players they see as already marked for a yellow before the match has started. Even better if they are playing for a 'lesser' club against a bigger team ;)

Marco van Ginkel has now gone to Chelsea it would seem on a five year deal, but no mention of a fee as yet. I wonder if they have offered more add-ons that initially will keep the fee lower? Chelsea seem to be thinking he'll be the long term replacement for Lampard - does that sound plausible to you? It will be telling how many games Jose gives him and I hope for his sake (certainly not for Chelsea's lol) that he doesn't spend the season warming the bench and wasting a year of his career. I think I read this morning that Vitesse had taken three Chelsea players on loan last season and so it certainly sounds with the owner being friends that there is some kind of relationship going on between them.

I've heard Bony mentioned a few times in the past, including Spurs at one time or another. When will these players learn that having shed loads of agents and hangers on will completely scupper them in the long term!? This is obviously one of the main reasons Bony hasn't got a move to England. The Leandro Damiao saga to Spurs has all been held up by his idiot of an agent and now he's looking like he could end up at Southampton!

There hasn't been much in the news about Baines since the initial £12m bid was rejected. David Moyes gave his first press conference today where he asserted that Rooney would not be leaving this season, which will be interesting to see if that actually happens... It's a big call for Moyes to make as he could already have his authority questioned before the season starts if Rooney does still end up leaving. Going back to Baines, I imagine that now pre-season training has begun, we'll see another bid going in for him after Moyes decides on Evra staying or not.

Paulinho has been in London today for his medical apparently. I'm getting schoolgirl style excited by the day at seeing him in a Spurs shirt lol. I suppose the most likely is to have him announced on Monday when the new shirts are unveiled.

Ohh almost forgot something funny! Have you heard Anelka has signed for West Brom today? He looks a lot less excited than West Brom obviously are at signing him: Happy Anelka Cheer up Nicolas, it might not happen! lol.
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July 5th, 2013, 7:30 pm

At times you and I sound like two 70 year olds complaining about everything .... :1106: :1106: ... LOL

About the English referees, is that your opinion on all of them, or is there room for one/two exceptions? I see lots of Premier League Football, and I kinda like Dean and Dowd. Webb is an ass, but maybe I'm biased cause of our lost World Cup Final in 2010. He still gets appointed for the big European matches, even got a Semi Final at the Confederations Cup in Brazil. And what's Clattenburg's status.... last season he got himself involved in a certain situation, right? During one of Chelsea's matches? Does that still effect the way people (read: media) look at him or has it already been forgotten?

Transfers: Arsenal players Djourou and Coquelin move on loan to Hamburger and Freiburg in the Bundesliga. Hellas Verona, back in the Serie A, have signed ancient striker Luca Toni. Cassano moves from Inter to Parma. Defender Samba is back with FC Anzhi. The Russians pay €11.6m, and here's a reminder, they had sold him for €15m to QPR just six months ago, lol. (Speaking of QPR, what's up with Redknapp nowadays? Is he really gonna stay with them and work in a lower division?)

That video starring Anelka is hilarious! I think the look on his face has something to do with the wage he's getting as it's basically nothing compared to the amount he got in China. But he should stop whining and be happy there's still a club willing to sign him. I mean, with his salary demands and the negativity that's surrounding him, I can imagine clubs think twice before approaching him and ask to come play for them.

Less than one month to go and I'm really looking forward to the start of the new season. :D
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July 6th, 2013, 10:51 pm

Well, I don't care what you say, them Brazilians sure play a tough game.

SAO PAULO (Reuters) - One man has been arrested in northern Brazil after a referee who fatally stabbed an amateur player over his refusal to leave the field was decapitated by a mob, police said on Saturday.

Referee Octavio da Silva, 20, stabbed player Josenir dos Santos, 30, on June 30 after dos Santos refused to heed his order to leave, police spokesman Kena Souza told Reuters.

A mob then turned on da Silva, killing him before severing his head in the remote town of Pio XII, named after a former pope. A 27-year-old man was arrested on July 2 and police in the regional headquarters of Santa Ines will continue to investigate the incident, Souza said.

Brazil has made significant strides in lowering homicide rates in recent years, as millions were lifted from poverty, but it faces mounting pressures to show it is a safe place for tourists before 12 Brazilian cities host the 2014 soccer World Cup and Rio de Janeiro the Olympic Games in 2016.

In Rio de Janeiro on the day of the brawl, Brazil's national team handily defeated Spain in the Confederations Cup, considered a test run for next year's molyuch bigger championship. The eight-team tournament was marked by an unexpected wave of demonstrations, some violent, in part to protest the $14 billion being spent on World Cup preparations amid a lack of adequate public services.
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July 7th, 2013, 6:51 am

Blimey, that's insane!! It certainly puts things into perspective doesn't it?

I was going to launch into a tirade against the referees in this country in response to Gert's post, but they don't seem so bad now! But in my opinion, the problem with most referees over here is that they fall into one of three categories: Massively arrogant, incredibly inept, or far too chummy with the bigger sides and star players. You mention Dowd - I'd say he was the biggest example in the arrogant category. I'm not a fan, lol ;) Chris Foy and Stuart Atwell are prime examples of the incredibly inept. Seriously, check out Atwell's Wiki page to see his crime sheet and ask yourself how did it take so long for the guy to get demoted! Then you get Howard Webb and Andre Marriner who are in the star-struck category. Webb likes to think he can be pals with the big players and that's the best way to control them, but in the eyes of the fans it just looks like he may as well be wearing a Manchester United shirt.

Clattenburg came out of the scandalous Chelsea issue with a lot of credit and he's done ok since then. I think he had designs on taking Webb's place, but he is a little too inconsistent for me.

There's that old saying about the best referee is one that doesn't get noticed, but it seems these days that too many of them want to have their names in the papers on a Sunday morning.

I suppose really it's the same in all the other leagues, and truthfully we do have good officials over here on the whole. But it doesn't stop them driving fans crazy every week haha :)

Wow, Luca Toni is still playing!? He seemed old when he was at Fiorentina! Mind you, knowing Italy they will probably end up recalling him into the national side if he scores more than 6 goals lol. Cassano to Parma has surprised me too as I thought he seemed settled and appreciated at Inter. Was he out of contract soon or something?

QPR have got amazingly lucky in shipping Samba back to Anzhi as there is no way anyone in England would have taken him off their hands and his wages would have been crippling in the Championship. It's a loss on the transfer, but seriously, they would have struggled to get rid of him on a free in England due to those crazy 100k a week wages. It's all gone pretty quiet on the Redknapp front and it almost appears as though he will indeed stay with them. He had a good go at trying to get sacked by demanding that QPR sign Wayne Bridge and that if they didn't they were not matching his ambitions, but it all seems to have calmed down now. Scott Parker looks likely to go there and there have been rumours of 3 Metre Pete (Peter Crouch) also heading there so maybe Harry has been placated with a few of his old reliables?

That Anelka video really is priceless :) I still can't quite get my head around why West Brom thought this was a good idea to release into the public as surely they could see how everyone would view it? Players like Anelka confuse the hell out of me: They obviously have more money than they know what to do with, whilst they look like playing football is pretty much the least enjoyable thing they can do. Yet here they are signing for relatively average clubs, so why bother any more? Just retire and go do something they enjoy.

Oh boy yes the excitement is really building for the new season! Paulinho was made official yesterday morning which only makes me even more excited :) The rumours of David Villa are still gathering pace so if he really does come, can you imagine what I'll be like!? :hump:

One more player for you to give a scout report on for the coming season: Ricky van Wolfswinkel who signed for Norwich last month. Have they got themselves a gem in the making?
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July 7th, 2013, 10:26 am

Speaking about referees again, TheBoy and GJ, your discussion pretty much centers around European Soccer, which, I believe, is generally totally separate from any American or South American (or African?) Soccer. European thinking is also different from American and South American thinking. Over here, Refs, umpires, etc., especially in the majors, are in a specific organization and are generally heavly regulated and controlled. Rogues are discovered and booted out quickly. At the lower local levels, that less applies, but there is still some control there.
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July 8th, 2013, 3:19 pm

News report from June 17th....

(CNN) -- Six teenagers and one of their fathers were found guilty by a Dutch court Monday of the killing of an amateur football linesman last year.

The 50-year-old adult was sentenced to six years in jail, with five of the teenagers given the maximum sentence of two years in youth detention. The other will serve one year. Richard Nieuwenhuizen, 41, was set upon by his seven attackers after officiating at a youth match between his son's football team, SC Buitenboys and Nieuw Sloten in Almere, near Amsterdam on December 2, 2012. The father of three walked away after the beating, but later collapsed and died in the hospital the next day.

"The court finds that there is sufficient legal proof that all suspects had a share in the very powerful and violent kicks and kicks to the head and upper body," read the ruling in finding the seven guilty of manslaughter, public violence and brutality. The tragic incident sent shockwaves through Dutch football, which is renowned for its production of talented young players through amateur youth system, and made headlines all across the world.


Cassano is an interesting story. I'll let you form your own opinion on this.

Cassano: "I'd like to thank Branca and Moratti. But not Mazzarri. Before agreeing to take over at the club he called me and told me that I'd be an automatic starter this season with him. Then, after he'd signed his contract, he said that I would be an automatic choice – but to be on the first bus home! I wasn't part of his plans..."

Mazzari: "What I said to the club is exactly what I said when I held my press conference in Appiano Gentile. I haven't spoken to or about the players since then because I was waiting for the start of the season. I don't see how I can have decided who my first-choice players and squad players are before I've even had the chance to coach them. I'd like to put on record that the last time I spoke to Cassano was at the Inter v Napoli match in the first half of last season. On that occasion I just said hello to him on the pitch..."

I've always been very fond of Ricky van Wolfswinkel. He started playing for Vitesse at a very young age. Moved to FC Utrecht, and got transferred to Sporting Lisbon 2 years ago. He's quick, still young (24), good technical skills, and he has scored a relatively big amount of goals in Portugal. In short, typical Dutch striker. Sporting are having financial problems and he wanted a new challenge, but I have my doubts about this move. I admit seeing Man United or Chelsea more often than Norwich, but don't they play the classic British Football? Kick and rush? Don't get me wrong, I hope he'll do well there, but Norwich/Van Wolfswinkel is just an odd-looking combination. Guess you gotta keep me posted. :icon_wink:

BIG NEWS! BIG NEWS! BIG NEWS!

David Villa is leaving Barcelona and moving to Atletico Madrid! They were still searching for a new number 9 after Falcao's departure to Monaco. Paying €40m to sign him, now collecting €5m to get rid of him. Another red card for one of Spain's debt-ridden Football clubs.

Transfers: Fiorentina have reached an agreement with Bayern Munich to sign striker Mario Gomez for about €20m. Toulalan and Abidal go from Malaga and Barcelona to AS Monaco. Everton confirm Arouna Kone coming to Goodison Park, where he gets reunited with Martinez. Borussia Dortmund have finally signed talent Mkhitaryan from Shakhtar Donetsk as replacement for Gotze. Take a look at the prize: €25m. He's the most expensive Dortmund player ever! Clubs are spending millions again, where is it all coming from?!?!

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July 9th, 2013, 9:29 am

Although there has been nothing like that happening to referees over here that I can recall, I certainly don't envy those who choose to officiate amateur Sunday morning park games as the potential for random unrest by hungover maniacs must be pretty darn high!

Ah, now that is an interesting story on Cassano. Sounds like he was made to feel exceedingly welcome and valued... not! Mazzari doesn't exactly sound like the best man-manager in the business.

Norwich are a bit of a mixed bag in their footballing style. Chris Hughton has done a really good job there and he's smart tactically and sensible enough to know that playing against the more attacking teams they would get hammered if they were too open, whilst they are happy to try and play proper football when they feel more evenly matched. This week they have sold Grant Holt to Wigan, which would also suggest a shift away from hoofing the ball up to a big bully-boy target man. So hopefully van Woflswinkel will work out nicely there and help to bring a touch more class to Norwich.

Ohh, you had to mention David Villa, didn't you! :crying2: I know that things can change very quickly in football, but I have to admit the news of his move took me totally by surprise yesterday afternoon. The sheer amount of smoke means there must have been plenty of fire in the Villa to Spurs rumours. He had been to visit our training facilities and by all accounts was incredibly impressed, plus if Daniel Levy had been given even the slightest indication that a move wasn't likely he would have soon moved on to other targets. When you also consider the fee of €5.1m, even for a 31 year old Atletico have got themselves a massive bargain.

But as for how this affects Tottenham, it's a bitter blow. I mean, there simply aren't many other options for strikers of his quality, experience, price and star name available who would be willing to join us.

Mario Gomez would perhaps have been another on the list, but as you mention he's gone to Fiorentina. €20m I suppose seems about fair for him, but maybe a little on the expensive side when you consider he has struggled to get into the Bayern side and isn't the most consistent? Yeah, Monaco hoovering up yet more players... I wonder how many of the squad that got them promotion last season are still there? I know that Liverpool hoped to sign Mkhitaryan but Dortmund have beat them to the punch (and quite likely outbid them at that fee), but I gather he's supposed to be very highly rated. One thing I would say about Dortmund is that at least they are spending the Gotze money wisely, with a promising striker, Aubameyang and a central defender in Pastph.. paphos... Sokratis along with Mkhitaryan. If Lewandowski also goes, one would imagine they will have around €20m to spend and still be breaking even in player trading. Plus, if they sell names on the back of replica shirts at €1 a letter, they will be making a fortune lol :rofl:

The two big transfer stories over here is that of Benteke of Aston Villa handing in a transfer request and refusing to take part in their pre-season tour of Germany. The indications are that he's been blatantly tapped up, but so far the press cannot decide if it's Spurs, Liverpool or Chelsea ;) I imagine that Aston Villa will (quite rightly) expect at least £20m for the forward, but that represents quite a gamble for whoever buys him in my opinion. He has all the makings of a real powerhouse yet technical player, but it's always dangerous to judge a player on his first season. But it's a case of watch this space on this one.

The other is that Arsenal have bid £30m for... wait for it... Luis Suarez! Talk about a player and club totally mismatched! The cynic in me would suggest this is something of a ruse by Arsenal to shake up Real Madrid: Arsenal want Higuain, Real will quite likely need to fall back on Suarez so what better way to make a point than by trying to sign the player they want as a replacement ;)

And one final bit of transfer news just to give you a chuckle: Chelsea have been making bids to sign the Norwich goalkeeper John Ruddy for around £6m. Now let's think about what would be most desirable about the Englishman John Ruddy to a team lacking in homegrown players such as Chelsea... Hmm, it's a puzzle, isn't it? Still, I'm sure Ruddy is looking forward to being acquainted with Chelsea's comfy subs bench where he will have plenty of spare time to count his :money:
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