Newbie Pornstars! what causes the burnout?

[ChrisXmaN]

is it the sex?, the traveling? the porn fans? piracy? too much competition?

[CGYMike]

If you have Netflix there is a great documentary on there about new girls who are lured into the industry with illusions of grandeur. I can't remember the name of the show but scan the docs to track it down.

It follows new girls and exposes the myths and the realities of what it takes to make it in the industry as well as the "burnout" you are referring to. It also shows the ruthlessness of guys who lure these girls into "fame and fortune" only to toss them aside when they are done with them....pretty sad if you ask me.



Cheers
Mike

[George B]

Hot Girls Wanted is the title of the documentary you're referring to I believe, Mike. It definitely has an agenda and many sex workers have offered criticism, as it is a narrow view of the industry.

It's a tough business for newbies, especially considering the constant influx of new talents. You see a lot of the new girls jump in and do all kinds of shoots for 6 months and then they're gone, which is one of the criticisms I've heard about Lansky. Promoting new talent to do their first anal, kink, gangbangs and IR early in their careers before they really have a name for themselves. Milestones that previously took years of building up to are seemingly common place. Sunny mentioned the other day that producers are asking talents to do 4 times as much work for a quarter the pay, so for someone just getting into the game, it can be difficult for a newbie to know what will be a good long term business decision, especially when fast money is knocking on your door. Once these talents have shot everything with everyone that's willing to shoot them, they're kinda at the mercy of public popularity. Failing to develop a brand and loyal, paying fan base, that's where I can see burnout.

[CGYMike]

Thanks George for reminding me of the title...you are correct. Also correct is the agenda is skewed in this documentary, but it is an interesting look inside the industry from at least one perspective. I'm sure that there are others who would see the industry from a completely different angle, but one thing is for sure: girls are doing more for less, give up way more than they should way too early, and are not near protective enough of themselves in the early stages of their new careers .

Piracy and competition are other topic all on their own..I think the forum has touched on all of ChristXmaN's inquiry, but that's a whole other conversation.

Thanks again George, and I hope that helps ChrisXmaN

[stickyvicky]

I've always thought 18 is too young to shoot porn. I don't think you are emotionally ready yet. You just graduated college, haven't even supported yourself or held a full time job for a year. How are you equipped to make a decision like that? It's just not logica. It's too big of a decision. It will affect you for the rest of your life. If the government wanted to do something useful they could just change the law to be 21 to be allowed to shoot porn. Have a vote on it. I'm sure it would pass? Why don't they do that?

[sugerdaddy]

I totally agree with you Vicky.
If in the USA you need to be 21 years old to go to a pub and buy a beer why not 21 to have sex on camera. Don't under stand the logic in the good old USA.

[WalterB]

You kidding, Sugerdaddy? I live here and I don't understand the logic. At 18, you are old enough to go to war and die for your country, but you're still 3 years away from legally buying a beer.

And, yes, I agree with Vicky, too. Yes, the age of consent is 18. I can legally fuck an 18 YO (Altho everyone would condemn me for "perving on the young stuff," lol.) But there are some decisions that really should wait until at least 21, to give you a chance to gain at least a little adult experiece and knowledge.

I mean, there is no "magical" age where you automatically gain the smarts of the world. Vicky will agree, I'm sure every day of your life you will learn something new. But you have to get out there and experience it in order to learn the good, the bad and the ugly. And, at 18, you've got enough experience to be a cheerleader.

At 18, you can legally fuck. That doesn't mean you're smart enough to know how, when, where and why. All that does is make it easy for TheOdPerv to jump on the young stuff, not to give them the smarts to shoot porn.

[danamend]

I agree with Vicky, maybe there should be an age limit of 21 to work in the industry. But I'm sure there would be plenty of under 21 newbies who would feel they have the right to work in the industry at 18 as well as producers who are always looking for new talent.

[stickyvicky]

That's why it should be a law not just a suggestion. Every porn shoot requires a 2257 (govt form). Just choose a date and go forward. Example : as of April 1 2017 models must be 21 or over for a 2257 to be valid. Simple as that. 2257's right now are subject to inspection by govt at any time.

A lot of girls regret shooting porn it ruins their life and you never get over it. They spend money and time trying to remove it from the Internet for years afterwards and never quite can. They try to get jobserved as nurses or teachers or bankers and it always comes back to haunt then. Fiances find out and leave them. All because of one or two movies that that barely made any money on anyway. Like $500 each. Is it worth it?

[PeterL22]

Here's a moral question for you (and the answer may be slightly different over here in UK to the US); after which would it be easier to get job like teaching etc, doing a porn shoot or doing time in prison for a crime?
I think I know the answer here in UK!

[Davest]

Honestly, I think many young women burn out because it is a lot more work than they expected it to be. Not just the shoots, though those can be grueling, but success also requires constant self-promotion, and always showing up (on time), even when you'd rather not. There is so much competition that you have to be a go-getter and look for work; the porn world isn't going to beat a path to your door. I think success in porn requires way more work than your average 9-5 job, and many (maybe even most) young women just aren't ready for it. (Boy, do I sound like a grognard. Next thing you know I'll be waving my cane and yelling at all the damned kids to get offa my lawn!)

[stickyvicky]

As a porn star, Web babe, cam girl anything of that ilk, if you are awake you are working. The Internet never sleeps. It's mentally exhausting. Even when I'm on the shower, walking the dogs or going for a run I'm thinking about work and how to make things better, easier, faster, more reliable, cheaper, more mobile friendly etc.... u'm in the car right now on the way to the airport (dave driving) and I'm posting on the forum. Every minute of every day is used up!

[WalterB]

And that's what determines your success, is the amount of time you dedicate to your job. That applies to most any job. If you put in extra time, if you do your work thoroughly and completely if you get the paperwork up to date, if you clean up after, those all apply to the betterment of your job. The more time you give to it, the more rewards you will reap. People notice. Why is Vicky's site so successful? Look at the time she puts into it. If you look at the most popular, most successful ladies out there, you can bet it's because they are always out there, working at their profession.

Working hard.

And we most definitely appreciate that, Vicky.

Safe travels.

[Maggie Green]

I think I was 25 when I even did my first topless shoot! I can't imagine doing porn at 18 or even 21 for me. At that time you think you know everything but when you get older and look back, damn. And I was 35 when I did my first boy/girl scene for a company other than my website. I've just done everything at my own pace and I can't imagine being so young and have all the pressure to do everything under the sun and not understand you need to build a brand first. Girls on set always ask me advice as I am always the oldest one, usually older than the director and camera person too. I'm like the mother hen : )

[DrNick2014]

I have to imagine the dream of what appears on face value to be easy money is dashed for a lot of ppl when they see the actual work demand and competition...