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Change is coming.. .is it about time or wtf??!?!

There are already sites that do that. I have seen numerous ads for "Cartoon" sites (for lack of a better phrase) that require a CC to gain access. I entered one of those once, several years ago (I got horny, OK? LOL) but couldn't even find the content that got me to enter in the first place. So I never went back. They ask you a whole bunch of questions. Then, when you think you're in, you get, "Oh, by the way, we need your CC number to prove you're over 18. We won't charge anything to it, of course."

Of course. Right there is where I stop and go elsewhere. And now that I recognize those sites, I don't even try anymore.

They even included me in the article. I'm so honored, "...people over 18 who...don’t feel comfortable sharing credit card information while navigating the internet."

Many restaurants have fired their cashiers and require you to give your card to the waitress to walk away with. I'm not giving my CC to anyone to walk away with, ever since I read about wait staff being able to use small, hand-help "skimmers." On the way to the register, they can discretely hold a skimmer and run your card thru it, where it collects all of the info on your card. At home, they give the skimmer to their BF, who sells it to someone else who may keep it or sell it on up the ladder. At some point, someone cleans out your account. So, I still go to that type of restaurant, but I pay cash. Remember cash? I was surprised it's still around, lol.

But, to me, as the article states, there still seems to be a lot of difficulties to overcome before a comprehensive plan is developed to ensure kids don't get in while allowing adults to move forward.

When I was a kid the nudie mags were behind the counter or covered in black plastic. You didn't get near seeing adult stuff unless you turned 18 and showed a clerk your ID, or your buddy stole his dad's Playboy and you both got to check it out. Online age verification seems almost impossible, unless you are willing to turn over a lot of personal info...or a credit card #

The problem is, you already have to give up your CC to buy stuff. Now, we know that Amazon and other sites are trustworthy. So how do we determine which porn sites are trustworthy? Do these sites have the verifications? Do they have the security protocols in place to protect your internet traffic? Larger ones, like Pornhub, etc. "probably" do. Otherwise, sooner or later, issues would be traced to them and they would be out of business.

But who is to say that ALL porn sites are that way. You know, you get as much money as you can, then you disappear, maybe to resurface under a totally different domain, IP, whatever you need to start over.

I don't have a problem with verification. As Calgary Mike said, you used to need verification just to look at nudie mags. Many credit cards (mine included) allow you to create a unique number for any website you don't trust that can only be used by that domain. It's not foolproof, but it would prevent a great deal of fraud. However, I do agree with all of the problems brought up in the article. It would be great if these measures would reduce the shit being caused by Mastercard, but since they are in the pocket of ignorant anti-porn religious zealots, I'm guessing that won't happen.

In theory I dont have a problem with creating a system to keep kids from accessing adult content, I just dont know how to really do it. I also dont like giving my credit card info. If I go to a site and they require a credit card even if I'm not ordering anything I dont give it and just back out. My feeling is that if I'm not buying anything from you then you dont need my credit card info. Wasnt there something a while back in Britain I think where they were talking about having to buy a license to access adult content on line? Maybe something along those lines. I dont know.

Absolutely, Greggl. If I'm not actually purchasing something, you don't need my number for anything. They are also (for years now,) using your Social Security number as identification, which I highly disagree with, given the amount of hacking that goes on.

Davest wrote: ↑December 29th, 2021, 5:31 pm I don't have a problem with verification. As Calgary Mike said, you used to need verification just to look at nudie mags. Many credit cards (mine included) allow you to create a unique number for any website you don't trust that can only be used by that domain. It's not foolproof, but it would prevent a great deal of fraud. However, I do agree with all of the problems brought up in the article. It would be great if these measures would reduce the shit being caused by Mastercard, but since they are in the pocket of ignorant anti-porn religious zealots, I'm guessing that won't happen.

I didn't know card companies allow that (a unique number for untrusted web sites). I keep a card with a low limit that is not linked to any of my regular bank accounts for online purchases at sites I'm not wholly comfortable with.

WalterB wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 9:33 pm The problem is, you already have to give up your CC to buy stuff. Now, we know that Amazon and other sites are trustworthy. So how do we determine which porn sites are trustworthy? Do these sites have the verifications? Do they have the security protocols in place to protect your internet traffic? Larger ones, like Pornhub, etc. "probably" do. Otherwise, sooner or later, issues would be traced to them and they would be out of business.

But who is to say that ALL porn sites are that way. You know, you get as much money as you can, then you disappear, maybe to resurface under a totally different domain, IP, whatever you need to start over.

Based on some work I did for a client some years ago, I remember finding that most porn sites are very safe. It was ecommerce and professional association sites that had the most security issues.

rokkerr wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 3:24 pm https://www.xbiz.com/news/263808/france ... ft-paywall

Change is coming.. .is it about time or wtf??!?!

Actually, this can be solved quite easily having porn sites validate user ids through the tax department! Using something called SAML tokens. The recipient site wouldn't receive any information about you, except that your identity has been validated.

But it would block the sites to out of country visitors.

lance_s wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 12:26 pm

WalterB wrote: ↑December 28th, 2021, 9:33 pm The problem is, you already have to give up your CC to buy stuff. Now, we know that Amazon and other sites are trustworthy. So how do we determine which porn sites are trustworthy? Do these sites have the verifications? Do they have the security protocols in place to protect your internet traffic? Larger ones, like Pornhub, etc. "probably" do. Otherwise, sooner or later, issues would be traced to them and they would be out of business.

But who is to say that ALL porn sites are that way. You know, you get as much money as you can, then you disappear, maybe to resurface under a totally different domain, IP, whatever you need to start over.

Based on some work I did for a client some years ago, I remember finding that most porn sites are very safe. It was ecommerce and professional association sites that had the most security issues.

I tend to feel the same way, Lance. But there are bad sites out there. At least according to my security. Yes, you did say "most" and maybe that's the key.

WalterB wrote: ↑December 30th, 2021, 11:40 am Absolutely, Greggl. If I'm not actually purchasing something, you don't need my number for anything. They are also (for years now,) using your Social Security number as identification, which I highly disagree with, given the amount of hacking that goes on.

The social security number was created after the social security act was passed as a way to track employee earnings to calculate social security benefits. That was the only thing is was ever supposed to be allowed to be used for. Now look at it.

greggl wrote: ↑January 2nd, 2022, 1:30 am
The social security number was created after the social security act was passed as a way to track employee earnings to calculate social security benefits. That was the only thing is was ever supposed to be allowed to be used for. Now look at it.

Agreed!