ARE YOU MAD AS HELL AT ANY OF THE VNA LADIES? Vent Here...

[rokkerr]

Walt Posted this in the camshow thread... I thought it was worthy of discussion... Consider this spot to vent if you are upset. That's not an excuse to be rude. You can also email Vicky@Vickyathome.com if you are pissed off or me at Rokkerr@Vickyathome.com.


"I have decided that I have better things to do with my time than to go to cam shows that don't exist.

An open letter to all of the VNA ladies: There are some of you who keep us abreast of your activities, and who give us advance notice when you have to change your schedule. But most of you do not. Personally, I check the schedule each morning. Then I plan my day according to that schedule. I adjust, I schedule, I make my day so I can come here and support you. Then, at your scheduled time, I find that you not only have changed or canceled, but that you knew well in advance that you needed to change, but didn't care enough to let Vicky know.

I don't care if you need to change or cancel. That is an expected part of your busy life. But, how many of those changes are "last minute?" I am betting very few. In more than one case you definitely knew well in advance, but didn't bother to notify Vicky until maybe 2 hours (or less) before your show.

My time is just as important as yours. I deserve proper respect for my time, just as you do for yours. How would you react if you bathed, put on your make up, got dressed, got into your car and started driving to your shoot, only to get a "tweet" that "Oops, sorry. Yesterday we decided to change to next Thursday. Sorrry we forgot to let you know."

There have been at least 3 "no shows" this week. You could at least have enough courtesy to Vicky Vette and her efforts, to give her proper notice. And "proper notice" is not a "Tweet" to the world in general. At a minimum, a proper notification is a text message to her phone number, which you all have. And then, although a couple of you don't have time to come to the forum and answer our questions, a couple of you have time to come here and beg for votes. I guarantee you, if you do not have time to respond to me, I certainly am not motivated to use my time to go somewhere to vote for you for "Miss Whatever."

So don't be surprised when I am not at your next cam show - whenever the Hell that might be. If I am home and have nothing better to do, maybe I will show up. But, in the future I am going to live my day and not make any special efforts to support you, since you don't care about me. I, as a paying member, deserve the same courtesy and respect that you expect in your life.

Now I realise that Walt Brown not coming to your cam show will not drastically alter your life. But there are others who feel the same. And these are paying members. Paying members who will not be motivated to continue to pay you for membership when you prove yourself to be undependable and uncaring to us. Membership in the VNA means more than sending Vicky a clip to post once a week. It means interaction with us, your paying fans. And, if you can't do that, I have better things to do with my time and my money."

[rokkerr]

My response to Walt...

Mr. Walt... some valid points BUT lemme add a few points of mine....

1. Twitter has become almost like texting. Girls now think that if they tweet that's the same thing as a bulletin. I kind of agree... which is why all of their last twitter feeds are on their sites for last minute changes. I always suggest to double check Vicky's or the girls twitter the day of a show just to be safe.

2. We are going to have growing pains. Vicky has added 15 girls SO FAR. Some will work out and some won't - just like Camz. I view them as bonus camshows. If one of them cancels... I shrug it off because it's not as if any of us are paid members of their sites.

3. Should you be upset at someone you pay money to who cancels? Of course. There are lots of members here who have switched allegiances from one girl to another or who have quit (and come back) and quit (and come back... with another girl). That being said there is a whole bunch of stuff that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know about. If a girl has a fight with her videographer or her kids show up or god knows what. Life happens. We now have the luxury of so many shows that if one cancels there are plenty others. Daisy missed yesterday. Julia rescheduled to today because of travel issues. There were STILL 4 hours of camshows to enjoy yesterday and another four today. How about the girls who go the extra mile? Anna Miller did a four way show yesterday AND EXTENDED the show for members.

4. You guys know which girls put in 100% and which don't. There are some girls who ''get it" and some who don't. There's a reason why some members come back over and over and over again to certain girls, and other girls just don't sell memberships or keep members around.
If you are pissed at a girl... tell her on twitter or email us. We are not above making changes or kicking someone out - look at our prior issues with Britney Brooks and Sasha Sparks. Btw Walt, but for you preaching patience with Sasha Sparks because she needed 'help' with her issues I dare say we would have parted ways sooner. Rest assured, anyone Vicky thinks should be run out of the VNA will be. Change is not something Vicky has ever shied away from.

5. Ultimately.... this network has gone from 13 "in house" girls to 29. We are grappling with how to manage it. I went to Daisy's show yesterday and there were no moderators to be seen. If anything like that happens - ANYONE CAN TEXT ME AT 818 795 8844 and I will get on it.

6. This is Christmas/New Years and STILL girls are doing their best. Nikki Benz of all people is doing a show Xmas Eve & Sunny Lane promised to do Boxing Day. I challenge anyone to find another network where girls are camming at such a rate through and on the holidays.

.... the VNA is growing. We need your help. If you got issues, email, text and raise them. You are getting MORE for the money than you ever have so help us make this place as smooth running as we'd all like it to be.

BTW... have had some conversations with certain girls about and it's an ongoing thing.

I also add that certain girls are computer illiterate. I must have given one of the girls her exact same password 7 times.
They find it easier to tweet because it's on their phone and usually they are not sitting at a computer.

[stickyvicky]

What if they're mad at you? lol....

[rokkerr]

[WalterB]

OK, I posted a response in the cam show thread before I saw this. So I'll move that response here.

I appreciate everyones support. First, I've mentioned before that I mostly support the VNA girls. I simply do not have the time, with all of my projects around home, to be able to support all of the cam girls. It is small now, but I envision Camz, or Streamate, or some of the other networks where there are 30 or 40 or more girls. Even as members of the VNA Cam Show system, there is simply no way to support them all. So, I support the VNA, and will get to other shows as my schedule allows. Also, VIcky mentioned to me that I only need to Admin at the VNA shows when needed, as at least "most" of the non-VNA cam girls would be bringing their own moderators. However, if I were at a non-VNA show and there were no Mod, and someone started getting Jiggy, I would not hesitate to step in and say something. The only need to be careful is learning what the girl might be accepting of. Some seem to like the "harsher" comments. But I would hope I could step in at the right point, if need be.

Now, do I have a right to complain about a girl when I am not a paying member of her site? On the one hand, no. But, on the other hand, as a full supporter of the VNA, maybe I do. Most everyone knows that I personally met Vicky a little less than a year after her site first went live. It was Vicky all 'by herself at that point. And I have been a member ever since - coming up on 7 years. Vicky is the sweetest, nicest person I think I've ever met. I remember one other friend of mine (gone now - Love you, Marla,) that had the same gigantic heart and love of her fellow man. I have tried my best to support Vicky in every way I can. Pretty limited, actually, but I did go to 3 of her first members get-togethers, and I try to get to most Adultcons, not only to hang out, but to help.

So, I try to support the full VNA, as it is Vickys domain, and Vickys love. Believe me, all of the VNA ladies have been very loving and accepting of me. And I so appreciate that. And, to my limited knowledge, all of the VNA ladies seem to be very nice and happy people. Rokkerr, I know they have full schedules. I tried to make that point clear. I was not complaining about the schedule changes, I was complaining about the very last minute notifications to us, some of which are avoidable. And, yes, I fully understand that some last minute changes can't be helped. I know I have talked to Vicky about this before. But, what sparked this was three "no-shows" in two days. And at least one of those knew full well days in advance.

Most all also know that TheOldFart can get a little excitable on occasion. I do not mean to, and I hope I didn't, alienate any of the ladies. The hope, should any of them read this, is that it makes them think; to make them see us as people with lives, too. We love you, ladies, and we love what you do for us. To those who are thoughtful of us, and who do give as much notice as possible to Vicky I say Thank you. To those who may forget, or who seem to think that Twitter is proper, please. Twitter is not proper notification to Vicky that you can't make a show. You have her number. If you can pick up your phone and Tweet something, you can pick it up and send a quick text. It's a courtesy to Vicky, and it's a courtesy to us - The Fans who love you.

Oh, and I'm not "Mad." I think, more frustrated.

[WSJ689]

some times Walt you need to get fired up for change to happen. to me if you can tweet you can text a minute later to Vicky or Rokkerr that you are canceling it's not so difficult. i have found myself going to more shows but not nesserairly VNA girls because being on the west coast means that a show a 10 eastern falls during my dinner time and many other shows fall when i'm working, but the UK ladies all scheduling at 4pm eastern have helped me see most of their shows because i can take a later lunch so thank goodness for that.

wsj689

[TheShaft]

I don't really get upset at no-shows/cancellations. I know that the ladies have outside lives and families and all. I think as long as they notify Rokkerr or via tweet that they can't make it then that should be fine. Life gets in the way all the time for all of us. If it's something that happens too often with someone and it can't be helped, then maybe that someone shouldn't be on the cam roster. It's just my opinion but I'm fine with it if a gal makes a weekly, bi-weekly or monthly commitment. The VNA is growing and there are plenty of shows already.

[WalterB]

Once again, Golf, I'm not upset about the cancellations, I'm upset about the last minute or no notice, when that change was known well in advance.

I can understand when, for example, Julia is getting ready for her show in 90 minutes, and she gets a call can she come do a shoot. She textx Vicky and all is well. I understand that.

But if Julia got a call today about a shoot during her show time tomorrow, and she waits until 90 minutes before her show tomorrow to tell Vicky, them I'm upset.

(And, don't worry. I'll get over it.)

[stickyvicky]

For the record I agree with Walt.

[WalterB]

Thank you, VIcky. Usually I'm out of line with Vickys thinking, lol.

Oh, and Rokkerr,

They find it easier to tweet because it's on their phone and usually they are not sitting at a computer.

Vicky's number is on their phone, too.

[stickyvicky]

I would prefer a text, what if I'm out running errands or i'm at the dog shelter? I'm not always on twitter, I know people think I am, but I'm not!

[carl goldfinger]

OK, I posted a response in the cam show thread before I saw this. So I'll move that response here.

I appreciate everyones support. First, I've mentioned before that I mostly support the VNA girls. I simply do not have the time, with all of my projects around home, to be able to support all of the cam girls. It is small now, but I envision Camz, or Streamate, or some of the other networks where there are 30 or 40 or more girls. Even as members of the VNA Cam Show system, there is simply no way to support them all. So, I support the VNA, and will get to other shows as my schedule allows. Also, VIcky mentioned to me that I only need to Admin at the VNA shows when needed, as at least "most" of the non-VNA cam girls would be bringing their own moderators. However, if I were at a non-VNA show and there were no Mod, and someone started getting Jiggy, I would not hesitate to step in and say something. The only need to be careful is learning what the girl might be accepting of. Some seem to like the "harsher" comments. But I would hope I could step in at the right point, if need be.

Now, do I have a right to complain about a girl when I am not a paying member of her site? On the one hand, no. But, on the other hand, as a full supporter of the VNA, maybe I do. Most everyone knows that I personally met Vicky a little less than a year after her site first went live. It was Vicky all 'by herself at that point. And I have been a member ever since - coming up on 7 years. Vicky is the sweetest, nicest person I think I've ever met. I remember one other friend of mine (gone now - Love you, Marla,) that had the same gigantic heart and love of her fellow man. I have tried my best to support Vicky in every way I can. Pretty limited, actually, but I did go to 3 of her first members get-togethers, and I try to get to most Adultcons, not only to hang out, but to help.

So, I try to support the full VNA, as it is Vickys domain, and Vickys love. Believe me, all of the VNA ladies have been very loving and accepting of me. And I so appreciate that. And, to my limited knowledge, all of the VNA ladies seem to be very nice and happy people. Rokkerr, I know they have full schedules. I tried to make that point clear. I was not complaining about the schedule changes, I was complaining about the very last minute notifications to us, some of which are avoidable. And, yes, I fully understand that some last minute changes can't be helped. I know I have talked to Vicky about this before. But, what sparked this was three "no-shows" in two days. And at least one of those knew full well days in advance.

Most all also know that TheOldFart can get a little excitable on occasion. I do not mean to, and I hope I didn't, alienate any of the ladies. The hope, should any of them read this, is that it makes them think; to make them see us as people with lives, too. We love you, ladies, and we love what you do for us. To those who are thoughtful of us, and who do give as much notice as possible to Vicky I say Thank you. To those who may forget, or who seem to think that Twitter is proper, please. Twitter is not proper notification to Vicky that you can't make a show. You have her number. If you can pick up your phone and Tweet something, you can pick it up and send a quick text. It's a courtesy to Vicky, and it's a courtesy to us - The Fans who love you.

Oh, and I'm not "Mad." I think, more frustrated.

I do agree with you 100%, Walt

& yes, it's not the point that the girls have their business & have to do a shoot first, second a camshow.
The point is, not to be informed in time!
e.g. Due to the time difference between USA & Europe, I have to take a "beautisleep" for 3 to 4 hours, to survive the cam shows deep in the night.
I set my clockradio, get up & prepare for a show.
Then, if I check the VNA schedule & find everything changed or canceled, you can imagine that I'm feeling a little bit disappointed, sometimes.
Never mind! I'm a die hard VNA fan...
I remember the times when the old system was unstable with so many tech issues + the daily business + only 6 girls... and happy for every minute I could see them, anyways!
From that point of view, Vicky & Rokkerr did a super job to set up such an awesome community.
& Rokkerr, you are right if you state that the VNA is growing so fast...too fast?
29 girls are way too much for me, so the consequence is that I have to choose my favorites and their cam shows.
The others I'll watch if my schedule allows it, like Walt is doing it.
I'm feeling myself as a VNA member. I choose the VNA girls, mainly.
The growing has some consequences for you & Vicky, too.
You need help, because you can't work 24/7/365. To allow some members to admin was a good idea, me thinks.
& I'm happy you trusted me & gave me an admin account.... BTW, how many admins do we have? 10? Isn't that enough?
Walt is right, its not always necessary the login as an admin. I for e.g. can change my login within 10 seconds & can step in when there is a riot in a show.
BTW, we should create a short list for the admins, what to do during a show. Or an admin thread to exchange experiences?
Growing & new technologies...When I began my membership in the VNA, twitter was not that established like todays.
Now it is an important platform for the business. & it is easy to handle... with any smartphone app... always in your pocket... quick & dirty.
The girls like it because they can text anything in short time... but is that their base platform?
I don't think so! Why? Their own site is the platform because there, the paying members are entering the girl's world.
We have so many technologies, social networks, different hardware... etc...etc...
You need some kind of format for the tech which is used by the girls. (Pornstar Format )
& Yes Rokkerr, some girls are "blond" with tech... but like anyone else who has a job they HAVE To learn to manage their tools!
The tailor has his needle...the carpenter his hammer... the mechanik his wrench... & the cam girls their PC's and smartphones.
If they don't know much about it they can create checklists or to do lists, when this or that happens.

To come to a good end, we, the members, are the fans who do our best to support our beloved girls.
We love what they are doing, are considerate of them and respect them, and I think, we deserve some respect as well.
Is it so much work to inform Vicky, that she can change the schedule in time?
Just typing an SMS, email...or whatever...

I don't want to speculate about the "behind the scenes" matter, Rokkerr.
An endless theme.
Just one point: most of the members who get disappointed once go quietly and penalize the girl with absence...

Yours

Carl


PS: its not a drama, Rokkerr...but it's important... just my two cents...

[WalterB]

Good input, Carl. I don't think I intended to start a dialog, but that is what has happened, and that is good. It is a difficult issue. But the base problem is still a human problem - caring enough to make the proper notifications to the proper people in the proper time frame.

Does a performer think that, if she calls her shoot an hour ahead of time to say, "Oh, my family's in town and I can't make it," that they will ever hire her back?

How about if she just Tweets them? I doubt she'd last long in the business.

[WSJ689]

Walt dialog is important for improvement. i think Vicky is dead on if you have cancel text her or Rokkerr as far in advance as possible. i'm willing to be forgiving as long as the cancellations are not habit forming. For many of our constant travelers who have hotel internet issues i sympazie cause they cannot do anything about that, spending time in bum fuck Maine gives perspective on that.

Vicky do the Ladies realize how many European fans are remembers?

[hotjulie]

Walt I understand your view, but shit happens. It's when it's a habit that the shows are missed that its wrong. We've seen that in the past and changes were made. I do agree with getting a hold of Vicky or Rokkerr as the right thing to do.

The growing pains are expected, but a pain in the ass. It will all work itself out, that I'm sure of. Vicky and Rokkerr are 100% class and so is this site, so it will always be very classy. I'm just glad they don't judge the members by the amount of shows they make or I'd be in so much trouble.

[Bretzky]

Twitter??? Here's the problem with twitter. I've been reading articles that talked about how many people actual receive tweets. It's a small percentage of the total followers one might have that'll get the message. So, if the talent does nothing more than tweet they're going to miss a show, it's very likely that the person or persons that they want to get the message to wont.

What all this means is to TEXT Vicky and the problem will be solved. Easy as that. If you're late for work, or going to be out for the day, you don't just tweet, you actually contact the BOSS. In this case, for the VNA Nation, Vicky is the BOSS!!!
How friggin' hard is that to understand. For us in the real world we get it. For those who don't, I feel sorry for them, cause that'll bite them in the ass eventually.

[Redd44]

My connection with Twitter is solely through my computer. I have absolutely no desire to receive tweets over my cell phone (which I rarely have on anyways!) My biggest gripe about Twitter is that I have to filter through all of the "auto" tweets that get sent out every day. You know, the ones that are generated automatically and have no purpose.

[WalterB]

My problem is all of the "re-tweets." I follow people because I like them, and I like what they have to say. And, I will admit, on ooccasion I will retweet, too. But when you follow 40 or 50 people, and half of them retweet, that becomes a lot of stuff to wade thru to get to what interests you. While I love the pepole I follow, I'm not always interested in what they're retweeting. And, of course, if I turn it around, I don't expect them to be interested in what I retweet. A retweet is simply expressing your opinion putting something out there that interests you, or that you like. And, given the number of comments a porn star may get in a day, there are going to be a number that they like and will retweet. But, really, I am not interested in some guy saying, "Sara, you have the best tits in the world." I all ready know that. So I have to wade thru that to find the tweets that Sara makes that I'm interested in reading. To me, very time consuming. And, OldFart that I am, I just don't have that kind of time.

[stickyvicky]

Walt I follow about 80,000 people! Have you seen my timeline? lol... so the only way I see a tweet is if the person "tags" me in the tweet, which means the put @vickyvette inside the tweet. Then it will show up in my "mentions" but even those go on forever, I miss a lot of things people intended me to see I'm sure. I keep up as best I can but I miss a ton. So someone can DM me and I will eventually see that when I log in and see my DM's, but if I'm not following a person, they can't DM me, and still twitter has glitches and I've missed DM's in the past. When Siri cancelled our shoot in Miami, it was via DM and I never got it, because twitter had a glitch that day. If I'm out running errands or doing a shift at the dog shelter, I'm not going to get on my cell phone, log into twitter and wade through hundred's of DM's most of them from fans saying they like my tits. I do that in my off time at home in front of the tv at 10 ator 11 at night.

So again, for the 100th time, a text on my phone is the only way i will see something quickly.

[WalterB]

I can't even count to 80,000 followers. I can't imagine trying to keep up with that many messages. You mentioned being a little more forceful with the girls about texting their schedule changes to you. Maybe you should enclose this paragraph to hopefully make them see what you have to deal with and why they need to text you.